Brighton after Zohore

[Penarth Blues]

This is an interesting development (and worrying if you want to watch a competitive and exciting Cardiff next year). In all honesty I think we would lose money if we accepted less than £20M for Ken - but I can see that figure being met from the Prem before the end of August if he starts off like a rocket.

When you look at what is being paid for players now then I genuinely don't know how you'd replace what he brings the side this late in the transfer window. I'm also concerned that NW has said that if Zohore isn't here at the start of the season then NW won't be either.

I just want the season to start now and for everyone else and their bids for Ken to bugger off!

[Cyclops]

Are we totally convinced Zohore is worth £15 - 20m and is going to score, say, 25 goals next season? I was as thrilled as anyone to see his goals last season - many were brilliantly taken and showed genuine class. But I also saw him in a couple of games toward the end of the season when he was almost anonymous - though some might say he didn't get good service. He was also affected by some heavy tackles in those games.

I just feel we need to be realistic and don't rely on one man for our Championship challenge. Would a proven Championship goal scorer (who we could buy with a large slice of the money we got for Zohore) be preferable to one with considerable potential?

[The Lone Gunman]

In all honesty I think we would lose money if we accepted less than £20M for Ken.....

There is some amazing stuff in this and most other threads I've read concerning Zohore this summer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this 23 year-old has so far had less than half a decent season at Championship level. I saw him in February against Fulham and he was excellent against what was a very generous defence, but I'd also watched him a month earlier against Burton and he was absolutely dreadful. He had an eleven-game, two-month purple patch, during which he netted an impressive total of ten goals, but he then scored just one in the last six matches of the 2016/17 campaign.

Does anybody seriously believe clubs would pay out sums like £10 million, £15 million or even £20 million for a player with such a record? It appears so, but to me that looks like wishful thinking to put it mildly.

[Sgt. Pepper]

^^

'Silly season' 'desperation' ' chancing it' etc

It can happen, and it might.

[WJ99mobile]

There is some amazing stuff in this and most other threads I've read concerning Zohore this summer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this 23 year-old has so far had less than half a decent season at Championship level. I saw him in February against Fulham and he was excellent against what was a very generous defence, but I'd also watched him a month earlier against Burton and he was absolutely dreadful. He had an eleven-game, two-month purple patch, during which he netted an impressive total of ten goals, but he then scored just one in the last six matches of the 2016/17 campaign.

Does anybody seriously believe clubs would pay out sums like £10 million, £15 million or even £20 million for a player with such a record? It appears so, but to me that looks like wishful thinking to put it mildly.

How much of his purple patch have you actually watched?

[Superdad]

How much of his purple patch have you actually watched?

He's better than Britt Assombalonga and he's just gone for £14m.

[xsnaggle]

The problem is if he starts hot and a prem side come in for him at an inflated price we will than need a replacement and we will then be in the same position as other clubs ,trying to find aplayer in the last days of the window.
Swhoever we want, his price will go up, and then knowing how much we got forZahore and that we are now the deperate club the price will go up again.
The whole point of Colin (Yeah I know 'our neil') getting in early was exactly to avoid that.
And if he deos go somewhere and falls flat who is to say he ouldn't have been great here with Colin mentoring him?

[xsnaggle]

The problem is if he starts hot and a prem side come in for him at an inflated price we will than need a replacement and we will then be in the same position as other clubs ,trying to find a player in the last days of the window.
So whoever we want, his price will go up, and then knowing how much we got forZahore and that we are now the deperate club the price will go up again.
The whole point of Colin (Yeah I know 'our neil') getting in early was exactly to avoid that.
And if he deos go somewhere and falls flat who is to say he ouldn't have been great here with Colin mentoring him?

[The Lone Gunman]

He's better than Britt Assombalonga and he's just gone for £14m.

I very much doubt he did. The Nottingham papers reported: "It is not clear exactly how much of the fee Forest will receive up front and how much will be formed as part of potential future add-ons, but it is believed that the initial payment will be an eight-figure sum of at least £10m."

Peterborough also apparently had a significant sell-on clause in his contract, so that will have bumped up his price a little.

[chepstow]

He's better than Britt Assombalonga and he's just gone for £14m.

On what do you base that statemenr?

[xsnaggle]

"Colin Colin, do the Ayatolah!"

And he did it!!!!!!
He'll always be Colin.

[Alfonso Perez]

There is some amazing stuff in this and most other threads I've read concerning Zohore this summer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this 23 year-old has so far had less than half a decent season at Championship level. I saw him in February against Fulham and he was excellent against what was a very generous defence, but I'd also watched him a month earlier against Burton and he was absolutely dreadful. He had an eleven-game, two-month purple patch, during which he netted an impressive total of ten goals, but he then scored just one in the last six matches of the 2016/17 campaign.

Does anybody seriously believe clubs would pay out sums like £10 million, £15 million or even £20 million for a player with such a record? It appears so, but to me that looks like wishful thinking to put it mildly.

Interesting that you have focussed on the last 6 games which ignore Zohore's 3 goal contribution in the previous 4 games. If you look at the last 10 league games plus the Euro U21 championships, Zohore bagged 5 goals & 3 assists for us & 2 goals & 1 assist in his only start for Denmark. In my mind this paints a more accurate picture of Zohore's overall contribution at the back end of the season.

We also need to bear in mind that last season he was being asked to play a very difficult role for us, often alone up front without a great deal of support. Warnock has clearly identified this as an issue & his transfer dealings in the Summer have included a strategy to fix this, particularly with the signings of Tomlin & Ward.

There are players who went for big money last season with limited championship experience & success e.g. Scott Hogan was sold for a reported £15m after 21 championship goals in 1.5 seasons & the market has moved upwards since then.

At the end of the day Zohore is worth what another club is willing to pay & for once we seem to be holding a lot of the cards as Warnock does not have to sell & Zohore is under contract & seemingly happy here. On that basis if someone wants to buy him then they are going to have to pay a lot of money for him, which appears to be well in excess of £10m. Personally I hope that he stays as I think that he could have an even better season for us & if so his value will only increase further.

[jeepster]

Interesting that you have focussed on the last 6 games which ignore Zohore's 3 goal contribution in the previous 4 games. If you look at the last 10 league games plus the Euro U21 championships, Zohore bagged 5 goals & 3 assists for us & 2 goals & 1 assist in his only start for Denmark. In my mind this paints a more accurate picture of Zohore's overall contribution at the back end of the season.

We also need to bear in mind that last season he was being asked to play a very difficult role for us, often alone up front without a great deal of support. Warnock has clearly identified this as an issue & his transfer dealings in the Summer have included a strategy to fix this, particularly with the signings of Tomlin & Ward.

There are players who went for big money last season with limited championship experience & success e.g. Scott Hogan was sold for a reported £15m after 21 championship goals in 1.5 seasons & the market has moved upwards since then.

At the end of the day Zohore is worth what another club is willing to pay & for once we seem to be holding a lot of the cards as Warnock does not have to sell & Zohore is under contract & seemingly happy here. On that basis if someone wants to buy him then they are going to have to pay a lot of money for him, which appears to be well in excess of £10m. Personally I hope that he stays as I think that he could have an even better season for us & if so his value will only increase further.

I could not have put it better myself.

[The Lone Gunman]

Interesting that you have focussed on the last 6 games which ignore Zohore's 3 goal contribution in the previous 4 games.

I didn't.

[Alfonso Perez]

I didn't.

You did

[Penarth Blues]

There is some amazing stuff in this and most other threads I've read concerning Zohore this summer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this 23 year-old has so far had less than half a decent season at Championship level. I saw him in February against Fulham and he was excellent against what was a very generous defence, but I'd also watched him a month earlier against Burton and he was absolutely dreadful. He had an eleven-game, two-month purple patch, during which he netted an impressive total of ten goals, but he then scored just one in the last six matches of the 2016/17 campaign.

Does anybody seriously believe clubs would pay out sums like £10 million, £15 million or even £20 million for a player with such a record? It appears so, but to me that looks like wishful thinking to put it mildly.

Evening Dave

I think a lot of the bits of my response have already been written but I'll add that I was looking at what he was worth to us as a club in terms of the reason that fans come to games - to be excited. Selling Zohore at this moment in time would be a PR disaster if we did not get a fee for him that the fans could understand why we sold him.

For the first time in a few seasons we have a player who seems to have the 'X' factor as Malky described it. Add in the potential that Tomlin also has to do the unexpected and you have a team that are worth going to watch from an entertainment viewpoint.

Zohore could well be bloody useless this season, though I would be surprised if he was, but it is just the possibility that we could be about to watch something very special this season that has got everyone looking forward to kick-off.

What is that worth to us as a club? I think it's priceless but, if pushed, then I'd say in the current market that a player with his recent record, including 2 goals and 2 assists in one U-21 International match, is worth about that for say a club who perhaps won't attract the more established names and has to take a gamble.

Do I think that is sensible money? No - but if you are desperate and need to gamble then I'd think you could convince yourself it was based on what he has done in the last 6 months.

[Rhiw-Blue]

I can't help but think that many are in for big disappointment and a reality check in the coming months.
Of course in a perfect storm situation we could win the division but all things being equal then a similar finish to last season is on the cards.
We're supporters, I get that, but blind optimism is futile and not for me and right NOW KZ is not a £10m player, Colin is not Pep Guardiola and we're unlikely to make the play offs.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

I can't help but think that many are in for big disappointment and a reality check in the coming months.
Of course in a perfect storm situation we could win the division but all things being equal then a similar finish to last season is on the cards.
We're supporters, I get that, but blind optimism is futile and not for me and right NOW KZ is not a £10m player, Colin is not Pep Guardiola and we're unlikely to make the play offs.

Reality check, about what exactly?

No one has talked about winning The Championship on this message board, hopes of making the play-offs ... perhaps and is that really outside the realms of possibility, I think not?

Yes, Neil (why do our own supporters insist on calling him "Colin"?) isn't Pep Guardiola and I'm happy he's not - how would Guardiola cope with a limited budget like ours?

As for your statement that Zahore is not worth £10m right now? ... I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

[Alfonso Perez]

Reality check, about what exactly?

No one has talked about winning The Championship on this message board, hopes of making the play-offs ... perhaps and is that really outside the realms of possibility, I think not?

Yes, Neil (why do our own supporters insist on calling him "Colin"?) isn't Pep Guardiola and I'm happy he's not - how would Guardiola cope with a limited budget like ours?

As for your statement that Zahore is not worth £10m right now? ... I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Well said. Like you I really don't understand why some on here choose to refer to our manager in such a derogatory way.

[The Lone Gunman]

Do I think that is sensible money? No - but if you are desperate and need to gamble then I'd think you could convince yourself it was based on what he has done in the last 6 months.

It would be interesting to know what, if anything, Hull actually did bid for Zohore. That may help to give us a better idea of what sort of figures are realistic for him at this stage. It's almost impossible to judge because very rarely has anyone gone from looking like a glorified parks player to one who has Premier League potential in such a short space of time, but that will undoubtedly be something that any potential bidder will have in mind.

[Penarth Blues]

It would be interesting to know what, if anything, Hull actually did bid for Zohore. That may help to give us a better idea of what sort of figures are realistic for him at this stage. It's almost impossible to judge because very rarely has anyone gone from looking like a glorified parks player to one who has Premier League potential in such a short space of time, but that will undoubtedly be something that any potential bidder will have in mind.

I think a figure of around £6M was mentioned somewhere that we turned down. I agree that it's almost impossible to know how to value someone who has gone through the sort of change we've seen in Zohore, but the fact that we don't have to sell will mean that we can hold out for a price we think he's worth. The fact that NW has mentioned around £15M would seem to set out what the Club think he might be worth.

Anyhow, it's all conjecture. I hope we do not have to find out this season what his value is and that he continues to improve as quickly as he has already.