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Making a comparison with the early part of this decade is important I feel. The first season Malky was in charge was probably the season where we were most united as fans (the season before red came along). We'd seen progress, by and large, season on season, and the fan base grew.
When we changed to red and were top of the table, looking like we were going to walk the division, new fans came along looking for promotion, replacing a considerable number that had left over the red shirt affair. When we got to the Premier League, we could have sold lots more tickets than we did, simply because some wanted to watch the Premier league and the big names. These new fans were hardly all that interested in Cardiff City as a lifelong addiction (many years in the top division might have created that but that's another story). Once we went down and it became obvious that a quick return was not going to happen, interest from the newbies wanes and disappears (as a rule).
I also wonder how much of an affect Russell Slade's team had on attendances. Slade was hardly a popular manager with many complaining about his style of play. We had a couple of big attendances in April 2016 but, by and large, our crowds had suffered. This isn't me having a dig at Slade - I'm just wondering if the number of fans on here, and that I've talked to, that got bored watching his teams is replicated. Are those who joined us during the season we won promotion more likely to disappear if they are bored or don't think we're going to return to the "promised land" anytime soon?
Ultimately I think our core fan base isn't probably as large as we think. However, we need the floating fans if we're going to have a go at promotion - they're essential in the Premier League, whether we like it or not.
Whats the answer then Sludge. A 10000 drop from the Leeds game.
If half turn up regularly we will be looking good.
I would have thought good results up to XMas will see some decent 1/2 ST sales
Next season i agree. A mid table side from the off and last nights crowd will be a good one.
In the past weve had ST sales boosted by Cup Finals and big money signings. I dont think we will get to the FA Cup and dont wont the cheque book thrown at it again.
I think the club is doing its best. Im not convinced our fan base are convinced we are serious contenders yet either. We have gone bargain basement rather than a Bellamy.
Yeah and your reason is wrong. 10000 missing from the Leeds game is not down to the owner.
Those missing because of the owner totals zero.
No longer fans and not coming back.
Nothing that can be done about them/you.
I think that total is negligible anyway.
What we need is getting our fans who stay at gome through the gate. The Leeds game show they are there
I disagree that the total is zero, but agree that 10,000 missing isn't down to Tan.
I think the question isn't so much finding out why 10,000 have gone missing, more what attracted the extra fans in the first place. Cheap tickets and the chance to beat Leeds, the league leaders, in the process is the answer (probably in that order). To me and probably most of us on here, whether we play Ipswich or Leeds or anyone (except possibly Swansea, Bristol City maybe or other close rivals), our interest in the game is the same. The occasional fan is more likely going to want to watch us play Leeds on a cheapie than watch us play Ipswich. Whether we like that or not is irrelevant, that's how it is.
The fans not going because of the owner are zero as they are no longer fans. A mate of mine who is a lot older than me was a big fan in the 70s. But stopped going years ago. Think he just lost interest.Hes no longer a fan. Like BIS an ex fan. Same as the Toshack lot. Ive a mate who quit when we left NP. None of these are coming back
Its those that still class themselves as fans that we need through the gate.
For that we need success or an attractive fixture.
10000 is still a big drop despite it being Leeds and cheap tickets.
I dont know if the club could have done a deal for the Saturday / Tuesday game be done as a package.
Does anyone know how the demographics of the crowd pan out agewise compared to previous eras? Younger people have been brought up in an age where they have more entertainment options than many of had when we developed the habit of going 'down the City'.
1. £25 is one of the lowest in the division. Club need to find a good price point - the tickets can be as low as you want them to be, if the club can't afford the players as a consequence, club will plummet. Crowds then get even smaller.
4. It's not about you, it's about the club. ST money is an up front cost. Walk up attendance low because people can't be arsed turning up if it's not a fiver to get in, then less money for the club - which then causes issues especially with FFP rules.
The people of South Wales are extremely fickle - that goes to the heart of this discussion. It's not a new phenomenon; it goes back many decades.
Sorry but your second point just doesn't apply these days.
There is virtually no trouble at CCS compared to the old days at Ninian Park.
City have won family club of the year twice.
There is a whole Family Stand where kids can go at cheap prices with their parents.
In general football seems to have no problem attracting sponsorship at all. Though
it is Premier League top heavy and is over reliant on betting firms , Sky and BT.
My experience is that the assholes only appear at popular away games these days.
So basically assholes are not the reason for low attendances.
16,000 is by no means a great crown but I don't see it as pathetic. How many turned up to watch Burton last night?
I'm well aware of all that.
Point being, we still have the reputation and like it or not, it'll take a long time for it to go.
Look at recent Cardiff Council meeting - question about traffic / trains for the Joshua fight, questioner mentioned Cardiff - Millwall. Councillors groaned, guy said along the lines of "yes, the other fight in Cardiff".
We've reduced trouble within the ground amazingly well. Some want to swap areas of the ground around for "atmosphere". Nothing to do with the increased chances of trouble...
I'll give you my honest position on this & you can do what you like with it, as these are the facts.
I started supporting City in 1968. I attended when I could (living 45 miles away did not help) and as I played each Saturday, I was not in a position to watch each week.
In 1998 I bought a season ticket and I held up until 2014. In those years I had up to 5 season tickets, my wife & 4 sons have all attended games, on those tickets, my one son in particular held a ticket for 10 years (his 1st game was the Leeds FA Cup game).
I've seen City play 1000+ games and been to around 110 away stadiums. between '98 & '14 I was doing 45~50 games every season.
Since '14 myself & my son now have membership & pick & choose games.
The key was that I promised my wife that I'd give it up after 1 season in the top division, (this was around 15 years ago).
So why give up the season ticket after all those years?
- Play off final - done
- FA cup final - done (every round)
- League cup final - done (every round)
- Top division - done - big let down - crap atmospheres at some grounds
- 92 club nearly done (just the new boys + Carlisle!)
- Malky's sacking & Tan's subsequent vitreol (I met Malky many times & really got to like him)
- Walking across Stanly Park, an hour after the game with Don't sack Mackay still going
- Red
- Club ownership by a person without a clue!
- My son going to University
- Not writing every Saturday off spending up to 12 hours travelling to the the length & breadth (except Carlisle!)
- Sterile football (I do miss Ninian Park)
Basically it was a relief to stop going. 16 years of addiction. The first year was difficult but I now share my time between non-football, City, Forest Green Rovers (finishing the 92 club), Cinderford Town (rawness of non-league and being able to abuse players & referees & getting abuse back).
I'm still City through & through, I've been on this website nearly 20 years and still watch Jeff Stelling having orgasms on Satrurday afternoons & the odd Tuesday.
But I'm not shackled to the club anymore, I can & do pick & choose!
Take your pick, comment away but them's the facts.
Been it, done it, seen it, got bored of it & Malky got sacked, that's the crux.
Then we shall agree to disagree.
I could almost imagine you want to perpetuate the myth of our old Soul Crew days for
some odd reason best known to yourself.Odd. Assholes have nothing to do with poor attendance.
They don't exist at CCS anymore so try barking up another tree.
There probably are a small amount of people who dont bring kids due to our reputation. But these would be people who have never attended.
Doesnt account for the disappearance of people in what was I believe a sold out Family Stand.
Looks like several thousand have disappeared from there. I suppose some have moved on to other areas?