Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
I dont think players who win 9 leagues in 11 years, and 13 in 20 do so by being in a "comfort zone".

Theres a difference between someone having a winning metality and actually winning things, and someone who gives 100% and is desperate to win but never wins anything. .

Comparing Ryan Giggs and Craig Bellamys winning mentality is like comparing Phil Taylor to Mervyn King.

Bellamy was a football nomad because he had no respect for his peers and chased the pound note. He was either bombed out because the hassle of managing him outweighed what he produced on the pitch, or he forced a move for money.

He couldnt even respect the great Sir Bobby Robson and even took a golf club to a team mates legs ffs.
Was it Giggs or Ferguson that had the winning mentality?

Did OGS have it? did Gary Neville? Beckham? Keane?

Well of course, at least visually, Keane did but none of those Man Utd players have gone on to be great leaders of others - the best is Steve Bruce who manages in The Championship and no top Premier League club has even had a pint on him

It’s a complete lottery with the choices the FAW has/had with Osian the only one with any coaching pedigree at all (unless you count Joke City).

To me what got Coleman there (apart from Bale) was his passion about being Welsh - he is of course a Jack just like Hartson so did have a battle with Is bluebirds (one in particular 😀).

I can’t imagine Giggs using Bale’s quote at the euros about all he needed was the dragon on his chest as motivation, whereas I can pictures Bellamy doing and saying exactly the same thing