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Thanks for posting that.
A pretty horrible listen.
Well we know what the issue is , and why we won't say it out loud .
I think he subtly makes a good point about the state of journalism in this country. The tabloid press spends its life in the gutter and therefore garners no respect, his attempt to bring this issue to light was successful because it was written in The Times which is one of the few respected papers in the UK. It isn't enough for the press simply to be 'free', they have be worthy of that freedom too.
None of us can say Mambo. What we can say for sure is that the systematic rape of pre-pubescent children did occur within Christianity all around the world and was covered up by those in power for many years. The lesson should be not to universally trust that those in power have our (and our children's) best interests at heart.
Didn't he say the girls were brought in from outside areas by social services, housed in a childrens home that accommodated one person, and then they continually went missing?
Yeah it sounds absurd doesn't it. Essex County Council were paying 250k to a private company to house one girl, Did the person in Essex CC in charge of that decision go to prison for not looking after a vulnerable person who was supposed to be in their care? Did the person in charge of the company who neglected their responsibility also go to prison?
I don't think there is evidence that it is a 'cultural' thing at all. Culture implies that it is somewhat universal within a certain subset of society which I don't believe to be true.
If a group of white men who played for a football team raped a child we would blame/convict the individuals and subsequently try and work out what facilitated the crime or drove them to commit it.
With these instances some people are determined to draw conclusions beforehand - a group of Muslims raped a child, they have religion/culture in common - somewhat absolve their personal guilt by placing implicit guilt on every Muslim or every Pakistani. It isn't racist, it is just lazy and counter productive.
There are two questions, what drove the crimes and what drove the cover up. It is very easy for these to become confused.
I'm only guessing, but 50 blokes lining up inside a house tells me there is the possibility that money may be involved here.
Don't kid yourself about The Times. It is usually full of lies about Syria, Russia, Immigration, etc. We do not have a free press. In fact, there is little freedom anywhere in this country.
Our treacherous elite have been bought by foreign interests. Our elite class deserves far more blame for the child abuse scandal than the Muslim men who abused the girls. They were just Third World Muslims behaving like Third World Muslims. Our elite class enabled it all. They lit the fuse.
Somewhere along the line, Channel 4's "Asians" have been transformed into "Muslims" - there are other religions in Asia aren't there? It may be that, in this case, the difference between the television channel's "Asians" and your "Muslims" is not that much, but your desire to make what Channel 4 said suit your agenda has, it seems, made you state that it is a fact that all Asian child sex offenders are Muslims when the evidence you base this on does not say that.
Dodgy Dave asked us to avoid this becoming a political bore festival but he's gone and done exactly that , the figures simply don't add up to his agenda which reading his posting history is there in , pardon the terms , black and white
I'd love to see us win by that score, but I think much will depend on whether Boro see a draw as a good result. I think they might and so I'd be surprised if there were more than a goal in it - with us so close to an automatic promotion spot, I would have thought we'd be trying to win the match, but it might be that we won't be too disappointed with a draw if we feel the top six is a more realistic target.
I knew somebody would do this when I saw the story yesterday.
He's recommended research be done into what enables or encourages them to commit the offences, this will obviously include cultural aspects on a local and then wider level. This is exactly my point from earlier! Lets research, lets analyse, lets learn!! Saying its 'their culture', without research (as people on here were) is lazy and dangerous - correlation doesn't always equal causation.
I think there is a huge distinction between saying 'there may be cultural reasons why these offenders commit these crimes' and saying 'it is pakistani muslim culture to commit these offences'. One is patently wrong as the vast majority of those with pakistani muslim heritage residing in the uk are not committing these offences. The other is a worthy starting point for an investigation into how we allowed this to happen. There should be plenty of heads on the chopping block here. If the report is simply concerned with race and religion then it is a fudge. Safeguarding on vulnerable young people is a huge issue within local authorities these days and clearly a lot is going wrong.
Cheap pathetic ad hominem (scattered throughout but the bold rounds it off nicely) and so far from the truth.
Eric isn't fiddling, the review suggests research not a leap straight to the conclusion. The review and subsequent research will be conducted with the aim of trying to prevent future occurrences, you appear to be only preoccupied with squaring, in your own mind, who is to blame and why. The review concludes there is a predominant feature of the people prosecuted but the people conducting the review recognise that simply saying 'it is their culture' is about as pointless as pretending you don't see the pattern in the first place'. If we want to fix the problem then we need to understand it.
Bearing in mind that culture means 'the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society'. Which culture are you referring to and what cultural problem are you referring to?No one has ever said it is all South Asian Men doing this. BUT of all the type1 victims, the perpetrators have been 80odd% South East Asian men. That tells even the most amateur Sherlock - there is a cultural problem here.
It wouldn't get that far.If you had a daughter and you found out she had a new friend, twice her age, who was giving her lots of presents, and he was introducing her to all his male friends the same age as himself and taking her to private house parties with them. Would you A. Wish the happy couple well in their relationship or B. Be concerned that she maybe being groomed for sex in return for drugs / alcohol.
Would it cross your mind perhaps that hang on a minute - older man, south east asian background, different religion, lots of private house parties - I think Ive read something about this... ah never mind - probably nothing to be concerned about.....
Would you wait to find out if he was a Muslim from SE Asia to be concerned that your teenage daughter was disappearing with men twice her age?
You are going off on a very strange tangent now. I don't doubt there are victims who aren't listened to. I really have no idea what your point is now. I will remind you of your initial one:
My answer is clearly B.Would you A. Wish the happy couple well in their relationship or B. Be concerned that she maybe being groomed for sex in return for drugs / alcohol.
If you are now asking me if I am the cleverest man in the world then I would imagine I am not. Where are we going with this?
Thankfully the clever people are going to do some research and come up with some ideas about how we stop it happening again. You have professed to know the problem, 'their culture', in about 20 different posts over a number of separate threads now and yet you haven't offered one suggestion steps we can take to fix the problem - so whilst apportioning blame might be simple often that has no real purpose.
I suggest you go have a lie down because you are seeing things and it isn't the first timeAs you say though - there is nothing in it - all just hearsay and rumour and they are being picked on because of who they etc.
This is such a gross misrepresentation of my position that I don't even know where to begin.
You should take a leaf out of ninianclark's and croesy's CCMB posting manuals, they scarper when they have wandered down a blind alley.
Stop digging and move on to the next thread because it is embarrassing.
It is quite a confusing article, the incidents happened in the 80's and 90's and then it goes on to exclaim 'why didn't they learn from Rotherham' - well because that hadn't been uncovered then either.
Horrendous and paints a terrible picture of Britain in those days, just got to hope it isn't being allowed to happen now (I am sure we will find out in 20 years either way...)
It doesn't matter how many have been raped. Our elite class don't care. To them these girls are rubbish. Our elite class have no feelings of kinship for the lower classes. They are ashamed of them. They will always take the side of "the other" against the white British underclass and the working class. Our elite class are traitors. That is why they are so upset by the death of that rotten Russian traitor?