Reply With QuoteThe people who died in the 2nd World War defending British sovereignty and our democratic freedoms didn't do it so that rationing would be introduced!...............oh hang on a minuteOriginally Posted by lardy
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I seriously don't know why anyone is worried about brexit. Everything will be fine. The home secretary himself has confirmed the government will be trying to make sure everyone has "adequate food". It's all ok.
The people who died in the 2nd World War defending British sovereignty and our democratic freedoms didn't do it so that rationing would be introduced!...............oh hang on a minute
Don't despair, politicians guided by the boys in the City of London will find a way to usurp the will of the 52% who voted to leave. You can sleep soundly in the knowledge Britain will continue to be a haven for impossible to assimilate Third Worlders and for the worst criminal elements of Romania, etc. Britain's descent into a debt-laden, welfare dependent, drug and crime-ridden zero-hour employment cesspit will accelerate.
So the descent you describe is solely down to immigrants?
Thanks for that Oswald Mosley
Are you one of those people who goes around writing graffiti on war memorials? Show some respect man!
No, not solely or even primarily, Bobsy, but it is a significant factor.
I sometimes can't quite believe how society has changed for the worse since I was kid. The proportion of tattooed hippos lumbering around along with antisocial underclass kids everywhere, an ubiquitous drugs culture, beggars and people kipping in shop doorways is the relatively new normal.
The EU globalists are very keen on a one-world government, but which one will they deliver, the 1st or 3rd world model?
Lots of people have been concerned about sick and disabled people dying because of austerity, including on here, including me, including me on here and others.
You appear to think that Austerity II, far worse than anything seen since the 50s, which according to Rees-Mogg will last 50 years, is justified as long as the will of the people is carried out.
You are disgusting me more and more with your utter lack of empathy towards the less advantaged. In fact, I would quite enjoy it if we have a hard Brexit, you fall seriously ill, but there's fck all we can do as we're skint and fcked as a country.
We all believe our childhoods were the best and that things keep getting worse.
Drugs, beggars, antisocial behaviour and homelessness are all new? Where did you grow up?
What is austerity II, and who are these less advantaged I am showing a lack of empathy towards? Have you resorted to making things up now?
Regarding your last paragraph, you really are a nasty fecker aren't you Eric, and a paranoid one at that. Who said we are going to be doing bad as a country post-brexit? The same people who said America would be skint and fcked as a country if they voted for Trump?
If Trump can sort out the EU why can't we? Apparently the EU are believers in no tariffs, no barriers and no subsidies!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Great meeting on Trade today with @JunckerEU and representatives of the European Union. We have come to a very strong understanding and are all believers in no tariffs, no barriers and no subsidies. Work on documents has already started and the process is moving along quickly. European Union Nations will be open to the United States and at the same time benefiting by everything we are doing for them. There was great warmth and feeling in the room - a breakthrough has been quickly made that nobody thought possible!
4:42 pm - 25 Jul 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...65839104483329
[QUOTE=Wales-Bales;4902011]Thousands of sick and disabled people have died because of austerity and nobody on here gave a toss about them. It seems like you want to pick and choose your battles, depending on how you see them affecting you personally. Good thing you didn't find yourself suffering from chronic ill health then. BTW Corbyn is Brexiteer, as are many labour voters, so I don't know where you got the idea that Brexit is a right-wing ideology.[/QUOTE
Couple of things worth pointing out WB. It’s very judgemental saying how nobody on here gave a toss about austerity and those who died from it. As far as I’ve seen there have been loads of posters complaining about the goverment’s policies over the years so not sure where on Earth you made the decision post that comment.
Secondly I stand by what I’ve said that the majority of those trumpeting the Brexit plan are those on the right. There’s some fairly decent worker rights because of EU policies which I can’t imagine being protected under this lot in power.
Ironic too that the Brexiteers use what happened in Greece as a reason to trash the EU and use the Greek people’s suffering when the likes of these utter ***** (because that’s what they are) like Johnson Rees Mogg Gove and Farage could not give a toss for the poor of Britain.
In the case of the first three they’ve been part of a government who’ve initiated austerity policies.
So if you want to start throwing accusations of people who don’t give a toss about those who’ve died from austerity policies I suggest you throw them in the direction of the above rather then posters of a football message board.
If you don't believe living in Blighty is becoming progressively worse year on year then you have a different perception to I. I'd elucidate but have a holiday jaunt to prepare for.
[QUOTE=CardiffIrish2;4902282]The Tories have to go, and the whole system needs a revamp. This left v right thing is what is holding us back. Glad you mentioned Greece, the EU didn't help them, or us during austerity. It's project fear that is making people fearful. The lies, smears and disinformation are everywhere you look.
BRITAIN’S BIG SQUEEZE
In Britain, Austerity Is Changing Everything
After eight years of budget cutting, Britain is looking less like the rest of Europe and more like the United States, with a shrinking welfare state and spreading poverty.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/w...y-poverty.html
That article really brings home what living in Britain in 2018 is like - thanks for posting it, the "we're all in it together" mantra has never sounded so hollow.
Yesterday I read the About Us page of a site which you linked to in the Donald Trump thread;-
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/about/
I found it be smug, sentimental and arrogant claptrap with this bit in particular catching my eye "make donations to the Red Cross when there’s an earthquake, donate to charity when you can afford it, etc. Even if it’s just $50 here and there – it’s the right thing to do.". All very noble and praiseworthy I'm sure, but it's the $50 part that is so telling because it shows that they just don't get it, things are relative and $50 is a lot of money to some people - it's certainly not the sort of sum they'd find under the cushions of their sofa and think I know, I'll give that to charity.
However, it's when you read articles like that one from the New York Times that your realise why, despite a style which comes across as more welcoming and friendly than many political sites on both sides of the divide, at heart it's just more of the "what's in it for me?" philosophy which has been around for ever, but has become more prevalent since the Thatcher and Reagan "revolutions" thirty and more years ago.
So the EU/US head towards a tariff free trade deal. When we take back control and negotiate all those fantastic deals with the rest of the world that being a member of the EU stops us from doing what additional benefit other than chlorinated chicken will this bring?
Juncker must have chuckled all the way back to Luxembourg.
The Conservative Treehouse are a ragtag bunch of citizen researchers who have a track record of getting things right most of the time. They always provide sources for their work, and a lot of the DC media and politicial crowd follow them. If you go back through some of their past research, you will find they have disclosed many things that are happening today well over a year ago. They are certainly not journalists, they are just regular people with day jobs and normal lives. It's a pity the regular news media aren't so thorough in their reporting, as I could be quoting them instead of this lot, but I take your point that they are a bit rough and ready, maybe even smug, sentimental and arrogant. What does amaze me though, is the fact that people find it necessary to comb through piles of documents looking for the truth, as they don't feel the official media are meeting their needs.
Why can't we get the same deal? If the world is heading towards no tariffs, no barriers and no subsidies, what's the point of the EU common market?
How on earth did you reach the conclusion that the world is heading towards no tariffs, no barriers (presumably services and people) and no subsidies?
Trump as usual is all over the place seeking the next triumphant headline. It would be interesting to see him explain his latest "agreement" to the MAGA corps. The core fact is that the US is the largest consumer market in the world. The reason that the US imports more than it exports in the majority of sectors is due to the avaricious appetite of Americans to consume the world's goods. An appetite not necessarily shared the other way around.
The Republican tax cuts will put more money into the hands of mainly those who are able to afford luxury goods and the EU is home to many of the world's highest profile manufacturers. Trump got elected promising to correct that imbalance but now seems keen to engineer an outcome designed to exacerbate it.
Juncker meanwhile gets victory for Stuttgart and Munich all for the price of a few beans. This in turn staves of the threat to those markets of similtaneous squeezing of US and UK markets for Audis and BMWs making it easier to continue to maintain the EU Brexit negotiating line. Or in terms you might understand Protectionists 0 Globalists 1 in the tricky away leg!
Of course I am sure you will be cheering the new globalist free trade Trump from the rooftops even when he seems to be turning into George Soros for the day!
We are the words 5th largest economy. We buy more from the EU than they buy from us. Why can't we get the same MAGA deal?
I don't know the details of a MAGA deal whatever that is but if it allows the free movement of goods, services, capital and people then I guess even Brexiteers should bite the bullet and sign up to the new world order.
Does not include free movent of people.
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