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Are these the same welsh fans that were singing Hal Robson-Kanu's name on Thursday and Sunday? Are these the same fans that lost their absolute marbles like I did when Vokes scored vs Belgium in Lille. Or are you just telling pork pies. How boring are you that you go round asking this question every Wales game? I suppose you don't rate Brooks or Ampadu?
Anyone that puts that shirt on and wears it with pride deserves nothing but respect and support. Ash is the best captain we've ever had and possibly ever will have. He's always turned up, he always gives his all and he cares, which is more than can be said for some of our welsh born players in the Toshack era.
What Grangetown chooses to ignore is that Wales approached Ashley Williams to play for the country. In addition he has a Welsh grandfather on his mother’s side. He says his mother gets very emotional when she hears the national anthem. I think that’s great.
I for one am grateful for what he has done with Wales. He is past his best now but he has been a massively reassuring presence in defence for a good number of years.
People trying to compare Williams with other 'dual' national players, are really getting confused.
Some of these players have come through the Welsh schoolboy and junior section, and nearly all have one Welsh parent.
If you want a fair comparison, then compare Williams with Ryan Shawcross and Ben Turner. Both have the same eligibility as him, i.e one grandparent, but both politely declined as they were more English, and didn't want to deprive Welsh players of caps.
The fact that Williams accepted tells you all you need to know about the guy, and his ego.
Eh? If manager’s called the shots why were half the squad pulling out with injuries? Who has been more committed to Wales? Welsh born Ryan Giggs or English born Ashley Williams? Did you celebrate when HRK scored our second v Belgium in the Euro quarter final btw?
Really, how do you know? Are you actually saying he would rather play for Wales than his own country?
He's more 'exposed' because the tippy tappy game is finished, and defenders now have to defend a bit.
He's never been athletic (never had any pace), or had 'timing', and is worse than useless in the air.
Quite comfortable staying on the edge of the 18 yard box, passing to his full backs and goal keeper, and 'blocking' the odd shot with his ample torso.
Yeah but you’re happy to have a player whose parent may be Welsh but who may have never set foot in Wales in their entire life. At least Williams lived in Wales for nine years. If you want to go down your route we will never qualify for anything and yet more great Welsh players will miss out on finals just like Rush, Hughes, Ratcliffe, Giggs, Southall etc.
Thanks for continuing to reply but it still makes no sense to me for you to just single out one of the many English players who've played for Wales - as many other posts have pointed out already. There are so many shades to why someone would choose to play for Wales rather than England that it's almost impossible to judge one player as more patriotic than another.
Anyway, will leave it there as you've now explained why you dislike him so much. Cheers
[QUOTE=Penarth Blues;4915095]Thanks for continuing to reply but it still makes no sense to me for you to just single out one of the many English players who've played for Wales - as many other posts have pointed out already. There are so many shades to why someone would choose to play for Wales rather than England that it's almost impossible to judge one player as more patriotic than another.
Anyway, will leave it there as you've now explained why you dislike him so much. Cheers[/QUOTE
Just for clarity.
He didn't choose Wales, Wales chose him.
I single him out beacause he's English, he's useless, he's an egomaniac, and he's not a nice person.
Let's leave it there