Reply With QuoteGod what an awful , place to be , I'm sure we will get all the anti Tory /May score points brigade ,who say its ALL her hr fault well is it ,the clue is in the all ?
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One senior plotter shockingly tells her to 'bring your own noose' to meeting with furious Brexiteers as David Davis publishes his manifesto for No10
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Tory-MPs.html
God what an awful , place to be , I'm sure we will get all the anti Tory /May score points brigade ,who say its ALL her hr fault well is it ,the clue is in the all ?
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Nobody thinks that's acceptable.
Not quite sure what it is but assuming you mean where the country is on Brexit then I don't think you can blame May fully for calling the referendum in the first place as that was David Cameron.
You also can't blame her for the behaviour of a large swathe of her backbenchers and ex-ministers for the way they have defined the Brexit vote as meaning only the version of Brexit that they hold dear and for vilifying anyone in government or out who offers alternative views of what the best Brexit is for the country.
You can blame her for:
Triggering Article 50 before any meaningful strategic or detailed planning had commenced on how the two year period would be managed;
Calling a general election that took three months out of that timeline and campaigning in such a negative way that it weakened her position both with Parliament, Government and her own party having to rely on the DUP to maintain a meaningful majority and prone to making concessions to them;
Setting an unnecessary set of red lines in the negotiations on the customs union, single market and the role of the ECJ that either boxed negotiators in or allowed her to look weak when they were tempered;
Signing up to the NI border backstop in December 2107;
Crafting the Chequers proposal as her blueprint for the way forward that had the unique ability of uniting Remainers, Brexiteers and the EU in its rejection;
Alienating the EU with a strategy of trying to by-pass its negotiating team in the hope of picking off individual governments resulting in her humiliation at Salzburg.
Wasn't it Harry Truman who had something on his desk that stated "the buck stops here". Given she has been Prime Minister for all but a few days since the Brexit vote who do you think should get most of the blame?
December 2107 does sound like a realistic time for the Northern Ireland conundrum to reach its conclusion.
Pedant, you should be focusing on the Trump Russia collusion delusion and have little time for such pithy observations!
All I can say isPedant, you should be focusing on the Trump Russia collusion delusion and have little time for such pithy observations!
He dropped that one like a ton of bricks and went off with his tail between his legs. I am glad to see he is making a comeback though, even if it is a somewhat subdued attemptPedant, you should be focusing on the Trump Russia collusion delusion and have little time for such pithy observations!
And let's not pretend that the opposition care about us either , with the ( lack of detail) 6 point plan, that means , whatever is agreed they won't back anyway .
It's pure electioneering theatre , and a chance to grab power, which is clever stuff, just wish they had thd balls to say it out loud .
I reckon they could grab power by simply asking for a second referendum, they'd have the backing of Europe at least :
Labour's 6 test
(If anyone has any details, actuals , numbers ,targets, performance measures, please fill them in, perhaps I've missed them )
1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU? (Easily measured I guess ,not sure what it means )
2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
( well no , how can it ,we're out, we want go trade with others)
3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?( fair management ?? figures by region, impact to the actual local effected economy, region please )
4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom? ( how will we measure the race to the bottom)
5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
( great soundbite, will mean use of the nasty military ,Trident ,Arms, spooks, and tighter immigration checks )
6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK? ( targets ,
actual regions , industries effected like fisheries , would be nice )
The grab of power for Labour is greater than being big enough to seek a cross party collaborative colation agreement on this single matter, for the benefit of the people ,which would probaly put them deservedly into power anyway .
This makes no sense.
Is that HM Opposition you are referencing or HM Government 2010-2018
Deflecting much. This is about a few vile Brexiteer MPs feeling so comfortable in their position that they can say disgusting things about their own leader.
Dai Davis is about the only MP I can think of who I wouldn't mind having a few pints with. I imagine Labour would dread him more than anyone else as Tory leader.
If his socialising and drinking skills are as good as his negotiating skills you’ll spend two years waiting for a pintl lisiering to him promise the earth before he fecks off sheepishly leaving you at the barDai Davis is about the only MP I can think of who I wouldn't mind having a few pints with. I imagine Labour would dread him more than anyone else as Tory leader.
You’ve done your usual of slagging out Labour (don’t get me wrong Corbyn isn’t the messiah his fans think he is) giving the Tories a free pass when in fact the references to May being hung or whatever have come from her more increasingly by the day right wing brexiter lunatics who promise the Earth but would be incapable of delivering **** all except even more humiliation and derisory laughter from everyone else in Europe
What's your view on Labour's 6 tests and stradegy .
Who cares, they didn't get us here and aren't in charge.
Well a big mass of their voters did ?
61% of conservatives voters and 35% of labour voters chose to leave. Bear in mind this was after an election where labour lost the popular vote 36-30%. It is pretty clear brexit is something initiated by the tories, in the most part voted for by Tory voters and now Tory mps have decided they want to hang the prime minister because she isn't doing what they want. That is the story, no matter how much you try to deflect this shambles onto the opposition.
Lib Dem voters chose to leave at almost the same rate as labour voters btw
No-one was actually quoted as saying that she should bring her own noose, unless I am mistaken.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/th...sing-language/
Not firmed up at this stage yet then. Not that a metaphor should be alarming.
Because they would be kicked out of the party already. Nothing juicy is said on the record.
Andrew Bridgen tells @skynews on those knife/noose briefings in the Sundays: "I wouldn't be surprised if no10 didn't put those words out themselves" to boost support for the PM
— Tamara Cohen (@tamcohen) October 24, 2018
By coincidence, its also said that Andrew Bridgen is most likey the MP who was behind the quotes.
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