May the Zionist hag is on borrowed time.
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May the Zionist hag is on borrowed time.
Any way but agree / delay /stop Brexit should be the banner , what a Democratic country are we as all parties do there best to stop the will of the people,which was the biggest vote seen in my time ,whatever side your on .
Government released yesterday what they claimed was a detailed summary of the legal advice given. Many suspect that the possibility of the UK becoming trapped in the Customs Union was left out of that happy-clappy release in order to deceive.
The pound hit an 18-month low versus the US dollar in the aftermath of that Parliamentary vote.
Are you suggesting you are against the democratic process that brought about this contempt of Parliament?
In any case, here's how I see things at the moment.
Parliamentary sovereignty requires that MPs back any Brexit proposals or they get thrown out. Parliament won't back May's "deal", it certainly won't back "no-deal". Some will then say that MPs should be bound by the will of the people, but because there are so many possible Brexit scenarios (May's deal, Norway style, Canada, no-deal), that's impossible to interpret. Many say leave means leave, but there are reputable, unbiased polls that suggest as many as half of leave voters wanted to remain in the single market and customs union. It's a mess created by the lack of clarity of what Brexit meant in 2016 - hell, there were leave campaigners promising lots of different flavours of Brexit from soft to no-deal.
All of this means Parliament will be unable to decide and so there's either going to be a general election or a second referendum (or possibly both). It's unavoidable. It would be a binding referendum that could not be overruled, unlike the last one. That'll lead to arguments over what questions would be on a second referendum. 3 questions (no-deal/ Norway style/remain) will split the leave vote, leaving remain to romp home; a shoot out of remain/no-deal would result in another remain romp as those preferring a soft-Brexit are more likely to remain; or a shoot out of remain/Norway-style, which would be objected to by many who want a hard-Brexit.
Whatever happens over the next 4 months, it'll be fascinating times in politics.
Everybody laughed two years ago when I said this is what would happen
Thanks It's a great summary .
I would suggest parliaments behaviour suggests they are not concerned what the people voted for , they just want to see the first referendum result over turned ?
My guess this was always going to be the case / plan, we were never going to leave were we ? , Europe with May have created this scenario.
MP's from all parties have frustrate the process to an extent
the remainers will win.
They will wear down the electorate until the exit is stopped in its tracks .
Perhaps it's the best way forward ,as the Brexiteers in both major parties are loons.
I've heard it all now.
Simple question. When the wording of the question in the referendum was drafted and debated, as it must have been, would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain? Actually, I'll answer it for you. The answer is no. It would have been a straightforward remain victory as all polls have suggested.
The leave vote needed to appeal to everyone who might consider leaving the EU, whether hard or soft, deal or no deal. Split the leave vote and leave would have lost. That decision, no doubt enforced by the leave campaign, has caused all the problems.
Mine is hardly an opinion.
Perhaps you need to answer my question then. When the wording of the question in the referendum was drafted and debated, as it must have been, would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain?
The other option to consider May knew the deal was crap , she creates a scenario the first vote is defeated, she goes back to Europe and demands unilateral right to declare an end to backstop due to the defeat , Europe blinks , DUP and Brexiteers feel they have morale victory , she wins the second vote .
Leave was never supposed to win. If you cast your mind back, Boris and Gove were totally shocked to have won. There was no statement on the following morning, and if I remember correctly they went off to a barbecue or something like that. Plan B was to hand over to Theresa May, and then we had the joke leadership contest where everybody fell on their sword, and May became PM unopposed. And now we find out there is a possible 150 year TIP clause in the leave deal that she cooked up with the EU! Cue the calls for a second referendum after two more years of project fear, and it's all very predictable when you know what the game is.