Where's the vote of no confidence ??

[life on mars]

Chance to spear her JC , she's on the ropes , Liberals ,SNP , Plaid Greens, even Tories are ready ,where is the move,time to be brave ,go for it ??

[Eric Cartman]

A no confidence vote in the government to trigger a general election? Absolutely no chance that gets through parliament.

[Wales-Bales]

Democracy has failed.

[Eric Cartman]

Democracy has failed.

This is actually strong and stable government in the national interest.

[Heathblue]

This is actually strong and stable government in the national interest.

I've not seem much TV today just keeping up on twitter, but if Strong and Stable wasn't thrown at her, an opportunity was missed

[Wales-Bales]

This is actually strong and stable government in the national interest.

It's in someone's interest, but not ours.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

A no confidence vote in the government to trigger a general election? Absolutely no chance that gets through parliament.

Of what use would be a general election? It would clarify absolutely nothing.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Chance to spear her JC , she's on the ropes , Liberals ,SNP , Plaid Greens, even Tories are ready ,where is the move,time to be brave ,go for it ??

This is a government disintegrating before our eyes with a party ripped apart by its obsession with the EU to the distraction of everything else. Possibly the only thing that can save that party is Labour triggering a vote of no confidence so that the factions can stop fighting themselves and come together against a common foe.

Corbyn might not be armed with the best set of explosives in the armoury but even he is not that dumb if the alternative is to wait until the Tories devour themselves!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

This is a government disintegrating before our eyes with a party ripped apart by its obsession with the EU to the distraction of everything else. Possibly the only thing that can save that party is Labour triggering a vote of no confidence so that the factions can stop fighting themselves and come together against a common foe.

Corbyn might not be armed with the best set of explosives in the armoury but even he is not that dumb if the alternative is to wait until the Tories devour themselves!

And what happens if Corbyn takes over? The EU splits both parties and Labour will probably have as little wiggle room as the Conservatives (not that their stance on the subject is terribly clear). Frying pan into the fire. A second referendum of either in or totally out is the only answer. And if that happens we are all wiser as to some of the consequences.

[life on mars]

Confucius say

“Is it not pleasant to learn with a constant perseverance and application?

Is it not delightful to have friends coming from distant quarters?

Is he not a women of complete virtue, who feels no discomposure though women may take no note of him?”

[cyril evans awaydays]

And what happens if Corbyn takes over? The EU splits both parties and Labour will probably have as little wiggle room as the Conservatives (not that their stance on the subject is terribly clear). Frying pan into the fire. A second referendum of either in or totally out is the only answer. And if that happens we are all wiser as to some of the consequences.

As I have said before, the idea that Corbyn, if elected, would magically be able to renegotiate a deal with the EU from where we are now that cherry picks some other morsels, albeit from within a customs union, is a pipe dream.

There probably are other options around the Norwegian model which could get a majority in Parliament peeling off the ERG into a marginalised rump. Whether that rather than another referendum is better socially, economically and politically is debatable.

I think the Labour Party obviously has divisions on Europe but they are small in comparison with the factionalism within Tory ranks that has destroyed most of its leaders since Thatcher. Labour's bigger problem is between the Parliamentary Party and its voters in many constituencies that voted leave not within it.

Corbyn wants a change of government not because of Europe but because he wants to bring his policies into effect. I don't think there is anything wrong with political parties trying to get power because they are often impotent without it. The fact that Corbyn trails in many polls even whilst this unedifying chaos is taking place shows what an uninspiring alternative Prime Minister he is though.

[life on mars]

As I have said before, the idea that Corbyn, if elected, would magically be able to renegotiate a deal with the EU from where we are now that cherry picks some other morsels, albeit from within a customs union, is a pipe dream.

There probably are other options around the Norwegian model which could get a majority in Parliament peeling off the ERG into a marginalised rump. Whether that rather than another referendum is better socially, economically and politically is debatable.

I think the Labour Party obviously has divisions on Europe but they are small in comparison with the factionalism within Tory ranks that has destroyed most of its leaders since Thatcher. Labour's bigger problem is between the Parliamentary Party and its voters in many constituencies that voted leave not within it.

Corbyn wants a change of government not because of Europe but because he wants to bring his policies into effect. I don't think there is anything wrong with political parties trying to get power because they are often impotent without it. The fact that Corbyn trails in many polls even whilst this unedifying chaos is taking place shows what an uninspiring alternative Prime Minister he is though.

the time of proxy leaders perhaps

[cyril evans awaydays]

the time of poxy leaders perhaps

Fixed for you

[life on mars]

Fixed for you

Ooooops , sorry ,proxy, my bloody grammar is getting worse as age creaps upon you .