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Oh no, the no deal possibility or probability even has nothing to do with Welsh independence, I just checked out what the FT political editor as well as what the Guardian journalists had to say last night and they agreed with the FT main man, they give the rationale as well, I looks like no deal has come up on the rails and hit the front inside the last furlong, will it stay there ?
If it does then that has big implications for a united Ireland and an independent Scotland not to mention Wales.
Its all in play now.
That is putting the cart before the horse, you asked ''How will it affect Wales?'', I gave my answer which you haven't disputed but you don't seem to like where the answer leads.
I think you are sorely mistaken if you think that I have a predilection as to where things will lead. I ask questions in order to glean answers and always try to dig when people proffer their opinions. Some base their views on other than anecdote and myopia and others on information they have researched. As someone who can be swayed by the latter I am prepared to listen rather than shoehorn my opinions to fit any underlying agenda. I am not party political for that very reason.
You ask questions because you don't know, yes I get that.
Robert Peston thinks the UK will leave the EU without a deal on 12 April, all the experts I have seen in the last 24 hours are saying no deal, will they be right ?
Oh things are moving fast as regards sentiment and its been like that for the last week or so, if I was a bookie odds would be changing all the time, latest whispers is the Government are going to give Parliament indicative votes [if and when MV3 loses] so a soft Brexit might well come into play.
May/Government driving the car = no deal
Parliament taking control via indicative votes and driving the car = soft Brexit imo, talk of 7 choices being on the table.
Nigel is with his walkers today, and there are 137 ardent brexiteers marching alongside him. It's touch and go which one is bigger.
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[QUOTE=life on mars;4961510]Why did Wales vote to leave is beyond me, they missed a lovely day out .[
Trivialize all you like, but 1m people on the streets of London will have an impact.
[QUOTE=Swiss Peter;4961579]They recon a million marched against the Iraq war it made no difference.
What did make a difference was when the Welsh [along with Northern Irish and Scottish] stopped us going to war in Syria as in boots on the ground when they voted it down, the English mps voted for war the Celtic mps literally on mass voted against and for once we beat the weight of numbers of the English mps.
[QUOTE=trampie09;4961592]Some English MPs voted against the government but never let the same old binary 'England bad, Wales good' slant go unmentioned.
And the Celtic nations were hardly unified when it came to Brexit. Unlike Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.
Oh, I almost forgot that you blamed that decision on the English who live in Wales.
Silly me.
The vote whether we should have boots on the ground in Syria was stark, there was a clear divide based on what countries mps constituencies were in, English constituency mps voted strongly for war, Celtic constituency mps virtually on mass voted against war largely regardless of party allegiance.
A million people on the streets counted for nothing before when it came to the Iraq war.
[QUOTE=Swiss Peter;4961579]I'm not trivialising at all , and I voted to remain ,and I've been on a March or two in the name of justice ,and yes they are fun and uplifting, if your behind that cause in a passionate way (I get it ).
It just seems to me a vote was taken and a huge one at that ,and yes folk didn't agree , but surely we abide by democratic vote and decision.
Wonder if we will see calls for new votes for stuff like rail worker strikes now?
Wales in particular was strong on leave, and in particular the poorer parts of it ,as was the trend in the UK.
I might be wrong , but those very poor leave voters , perhaps would struggle
to mobilise and afford that trip to London in that mass ?? .
The March in London would have been hugely bolstered by remainers , as London voted that way , and it has a better affluence to do so, and you can see significant money was thrown at it by sponsors .
Really pleased your day was good though 👍
We should honour the vote and leave the EU and then re-join if the people have changed their mind, no doubt if we leave come the next General Election some parties will put a pledge in their manifesto to offer another referendum to join the EU if they get elected.
[QUOTE=life on mars;4961611]Yes, I agree with your point. I am solidly remain, but I noted yesterday (as with the last march) how unrepresentative the marchers are of the typical ethnic/socio-economic profile I see on the way to work, or walking down any high street. The crowd was diverse in terms of age, but that's it. (Hence all the "I'm really starting to get quite cross about this" style banners yesterday ). I accept that it needs to be seen in that context.
Theresa May seems to be moving away from 'no deal' - BOO, it now seems to be dawning on her that it will put the union at risk = oi luv, the people voted for it.