Stay in the EU petition

[life on mars]

I’ve not mentioned violence. You’re the one throwing the insults around on here. You’ve not proven me or anybody else “wrong”.
It’s just opinions. My point, was about the silent majority from any country, in any given era, just standing back and letting things happen.
You are just angry because you want to remain in Europe, and the vote has gone against that.
It’s not the Tories who voted to leave, it was the general public.

Yes I pointed that one out a few times ( It’s not the Tories who voted to leave, it was the general public.)
and it does seem to enrage the nasty new Socialism agenda keyboard warriors .


Perhaps the public and Labour voters didn't vote for to leave , and May has arranged all this deception (hang on , she's a remainer, Corbyn is a leaver , its bloody role reversal )

[MOZZER2]

Mozzer, we're actually doing very well, our turnover and profit will be the best ever this FY and we have a world leading product both technology wise & market share, so this situation is a massive kick in the teeth.

Your comment on skilled people is spot on & ironically only around 20% of the recent skilled staff are of UK origin. We currently have staff of 23 global nationalities. We've recently put in place a mature apprentice scheme. University graduate recruitment has been dire, so we're now putting them through an apprenticeship post University.

agree about the standard of university graduates coming through the ranks . it comes to something when someone spends 3 years at university studying a topic and then you have to send them out again to do an apprenticeship especially most owe about 50k when they graduate . something is drastically wrong the way our government is telling youngsters you need a degree to get on in life

let's get back to basics and tell business leaders to promote engineering apprenticeships first before going anywhere near a degree a proper grounding to the real world of work and as for percentage of british workers I fully know where your coming from when I was at JLR a few years ago I was the only Brit in a team of 15 Engineers in our department !!

[stevo]

Thanks

(hang on , she's a remainer, Corbyn is a leaver , its bloody role reversal )

Let’s be honest - they don’t really give a stuff either way - as long as they gain or retain power.

[Organ Morgan.]

Your quite a feisty character aren’t you. Throwing the insults around. Another keyboard warrior?

I thought you'd have worked out who Rudy is by now, Billy boy.

[BLUEAWAY]

Can all the people who are desperate to leave in this thread please tell me why? What do they think the benefits are?

It won’t be less imigration, it won’t be more sovereignty, it won’t be more jobs and certainly less in the poorer areas.

[Organ Morgan.]

It won’t be less imigration, it won’t be more sovereignty, it won’t be more jobs and certainly less in the poorer areas.

I agree with you on all counts. I suspect we've reached the same conclusion for entirely different reasons, though. Most of mine begin with d -- more debt, more dumbing-down, more decadence, more drugs, more deprivation and all of it by design.

[lardy]

The UK parliament is the only organisation that CAN change article 50, or at least revoke it.
No deal is a natural consequence of reaching 29 Mar without a deal. On that date we automatically leave the EU whether we want to or not, and whether the EU want us to or not - - - - unless an act of parliament is passed to revoke article 50.
A new act of parliament is the only thing that can prevent it. If it is stopped any other way it will be illegal as far as I iunderstand it.

Change and revoke are completely different things, world's apart.

29 March has been extended.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Maybe someone can explain something to me.

I've always been on the side of remaining in the EU. Not because of any huge fondness for the EU, I must add. Politically, I will always side with the least fortunate, the worst off, those who need help. The rich will always make their money, they find ways to exploit the rest of us and so they should be the ones shouldering most of the responsibility for those who are worst off.

A no-deal scenario scares the hell out of me. Years of not having lots of deals in place with lots of countries that we need to have deals with. Some might find this liberating. If it affects the worst off in society in a negative way, why should we do it? I cannot support anything that has the potential to make peoples' lives worse. Notice I haven't said that "will make peoples' lives worse", just the potential.

So I cannot understand why people would happily accept a scenario that has the potential, or might cause hardship to lots of people. I cannot understand a blase attitude of "it might be ok".

Those voting leave have decided on a massive gamble for the country. One that they believe will work out eventually. One that none of them reckon will make us better off overnight, so people will be worse off for a spell at least.

If people's livelihoods and income isn't the most important issue, then I cannot understand the mentality of those who voted leave and don't care if people are made worse off. How can anyone vote for something that would make their fellow citizens potentially worse off?

Scary times.

[lardy]

Eric, I think you also need add "vote for something that will potentially make themselves worse off"

Des has talked about layoffs. Some of those must surely have voted leave.

[life on mars]

Eric, I think you also need add "vote for something that will potentially make themselves worse off"

Des has talked about layoffs. Some of those must surely have voted leave.

Yes they probably did vote leave ,so did folk in places like Swindon and Sunderland even after big name employers in those areas such as Nissan and Honda said , no, don't vote to leave , it may hurt you and us , and those companies pump massive values and jobs into thier local economies.

Look at Wales, it received huge amounts of investment , it was a net receiver of cash and investment subsidy , and we know it wont be matched by Westminster, but still it voted to leave.

I think this was an emotive vote, one that had some deep rooted feelings that had festered over many years, even decades , around independent law making ,immigration, border control, farming/ fishing quotas , loss of identity, over employed beaurcacts, unchallenged bloated and costly european officialdom ,obscene wages and pensions to support the commission.

It's almost like a child lashing out , after a period of frustration.

I still think if a new referendum was put in place we would not see a different result. I might be wrong?? but onna personal level , I do know folk who voted leave, will do so again .

[xsnaggle]

Change and revoke are completely different things, world's apart.

29 March has been extended.

No it hasn't, it's still 24 hours.

[xsnaggle]

No it hasn't, it's still 24 hours.

Sorry lardy,but that just shows how seriously I take this thread. Now I'll have to hide somewhere else.

[lardy]

Sorry lardy,but that just shows how seriously I take this thread. Now I'll have to hide somewhere else.

To be honest, it's a nightmare to keep up with what's going on

[lardy]

Yes they probably did vote leave ,so did folk in places like Swindon and Sunderland even after big name employers in those areas such as Nissan and Honda said , no, don't vote to leave , it may hurt you and us , and those companies pump massive values and jobs into thier local economies.

Look at Wales, it received huge amounts of investment , it was a net receiver of cash and investment subsidy , and we know it wont be matched by Westminster, but still it voted to leave.

I think this was an emotive vote, one that had some deep rooted feelings that had festered over many years, even decades , around independent law making ,immigration, border control, farming/ fishing quotas , loss of identity, over employed beaurcacts, unchallenged bloated and costly european officialdom ,obscene wages and pensions to support the commission.

It's almost like a child lashing out , after a period of frustration.

I still think if a new referendum was put in place we would not see a different result. I might be wrong?? but onna personal level , I do know folk who voted leave, will do so again .

We might not get a different result, but I think the country is owed the opportunity to have their say with what we've learned. If 52%+ say this what they really want, then so be it.

Actually, Leave have a big advantage from a PR point of view. The slogan is simply "Tell Them Again". That's very powerful.

[The Bloop]

Here's my contribution which I saw elsewhere yesterday-

52% Pride and Prejudice

48% Sense and Sensibility

[trampie09]

Maybe someone can explain something to me.

I've always been on the side of remaining in the EU. Not because of any huge fondness for the EU, I must add. Politically, I will always side with the least fortunate, the worst off, those who need help. The rich will always make their money, they find ways to exploit the rest of us and so they should be the ones shouldering most of the responsibility for those who are worst off.

A no-deal scenario scares the hell out of me. Years of not having lots of deals in place with lots of countries that we need to have deals with. Some might find this liberating. If it affects the worst off in society in a negative way, why should we do it? I cannot support anything that has the potential to make peoples' lives worse. Notice I haven't said that "will make peoples' lives worse", just the potential.

So I cannot understand why people would happily accept a scenario that has the potential, or might cause hardship to lots of people. I cannot understand a blase attitude of "it might be ok".

Those voting leave have decided on a massive gamble for the country. One that they believe will work out eventually. One that none of them reckon will make us better off overnight, so people will be worse off for a spell at least.

If people's livelihoods and income isn't the most important issue, then I cannot understand the mentality of those who voted leave and don't care if people are made worse off. How can anyone vote for something that would make their fellow citizens potentially worse off?

Scary times.

Eric, Eric, Eric its what nearly everybody does, I have brought this up on massage-boards before, look at Mrs Thatcher they voted for her in droves - lower income tax, a chance to buy the countries housing stock for a song if you were a council house tenant, a chance to buy shares in our nationalised industries on the cheap, if you was unemployed, on benefits, a pensioner or a student you might well be worse off, if you was in work you was likely to be better off.
I would pay a lot more tax for the benefit of the country but most people wont, most people are selfish and greedy, as regards leave voters some observe it was a protest vote [wrong election to do a protest vote] and that they believed that for every £1 we gave the EU we only got 37p back etc, they weren't trying to make fellow subjects of the English crown worse off but when they vote Labour, Conservative and Lib-Dem in Assembly and Westminster elections it could be said they are happy to make others worse off if they perceive they will be better off.

[goats]

We might not get a different result, but I think the country is owed the opportunity to have their say with what we've learned. If 52%+ say this what they really want, then so be it.

Actually, Leave have a big advantage from a PR point of view. The slogan is simply "Tell Them Again". That's very powerful.

You mean lie to them again right?

[JennyWren]

You mean lie to them again right?

If the vote is legally binding, then any illegal activity would make the result null and void. The first referendum was not legally binding.

[JennyWren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht40yrt3VrY&t=325s

This is a must watch, Farage condeded defeat at 10:01 despite a huge turnout that, at the time, said to me that the result would be leave (people only turn out in huge numbers for change).

[JennyWren]

I'll keep it shortish. I dont want EU dictating laws what we can and cant do, paying MEP's silly money for doing **** all (The Kinnock gravy train), bailing out the likes of Greece and Italy knowing they will never pay it back, control our borders, control our fishing grounds......that'll do for now. Why do you want to remain?

What rules have they forced on you? What laws are we unable to implement?

[lardy]

You mean lie to them again right?

More than likely.

I'd make Leave favourite in a second referendum, so I don't know why leavers are scared of the prospect.

[trampie09]

If the vote is legally binding, then any illegal activity would make the result null and void. The first referendum was not legally binding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29294087
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...F1&FORM=VDQVAP
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...1&&FORM=VRDGAR

[William Treseder]

More than likely.

I'd make Leave favourite in a second referendum, so I don't know why leavers are scared of the prospect.

I wouldn’t say leavers are scared of the prospect. I’d wager that it would be another leave result anyway.
It would set an uneasy precedent though.
The way the government has handled it, has been nothing short of amateurish and shambolic, from day 1.
Whether it is a good or bad decision to leave, that’s what the people voted for, and that’s what the government should have done on the 29th. No deals, just out.

[WJ99mobile]

What opportunities mate?

Better trade opportunities

[lardy]

I wouldn’t say leavers are scared of the prospect. I’d wager that it would be another leave result anyway.
It would set an uneasy precedent though.
The way the government has handled it, has been nothing short of amateurish and shambolic, from day 1.
Whether it is a good or bad decision to leave, that’s what the people voted for, and that’s what the government should have done on the 29th. No deals, just out.

Yeah we should just bin 40% of our trade just coz.