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I think I hit a few sore points! i love the reaction.
I have one thanks.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/je...n-sophy-ridge/
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...anti-semitism/
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...m-labour-party
But I'm sure anyone can find things to support their viewpoint. I don't think it's worth pursuing this as no minds will be changed by it.
How does any of that prove corbyn is an anti semite, Marxist or misogynist?
That’s ignoring the fact two are just opinion pieces, one from an American conservative magazine
I’m no fan of corbyn, but it’s taken you 3 hours to come up with a defence that would make Huddersfield blush.
I never said he was. Someone else said he wasn't. It didn't take me 3 hours, unlike some I don't sit monitoring this site all the time. I'm no great fan of any of them truthfully, they are generally a poor bunch. The goings on surrounding brexit are the perfect demonstration of that.
And in my post regarding anti semitism etc I was referring to a (maybe hypothetical) party, not an individual. I hope if you read it you may see that.
I take the comment about it being a conservative magazine but then you wouldn't expect it to be a hard left wing one would you?
misogynist
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a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
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adjective
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relating to or characteristic of a misogynist.
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You don't help your argument by linking an opinion piece by Chris Leslie - one of the main instigators of the anti-Corbyn campaign in the PLP before he jumped ship.
There have certainly been a number of anti-semitic social media posts from Labour Party members, and some cowardly threats to MPs and others. Those people should be swiftly expelled and subject to police action if appropriate.
But as I understand the evidence (from a wide variety of sources) most of the anti-semitic trolls cited in the attacks on the Labour Party are lone wolf right wing nutters or members of neo-Nazi organisations (including all of the high profile prosecutions in recent years). A lot of the allegations of anti-semitism from within the Labour Party are scatter gun lists provided by Margaret Hodge and others, where the headline cases are examples of re-tweeting satirical posts (as in the case of Naz Shah MP re-tweeting the Israel as a state of the USA image from a prominent Jewish historian, Norman Finckelstein) or are based on substituting the word 'Jewish' for every reference to 'Zionist' in messages or posts.
The new IHRA definition of anti-semitism which is claimed to be universally accepted (but has been disowned by its author because it has been misused and has still only been adopted by 8 countries) leads to that perverse outcome. In my opinion the two most dangerous and committed Zionists in world politics are Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence - Secretary of State and Vice President of the USA and both Christian Zionists.
When the anti-semitism allegations started to fly during the Labour leadership campaign in 2015 I was shocked. I have since come to accept that some of the claims are real and disgusting (although at a lower level than the racism in the Tory Party) but also totally convinced that the issue has been distorted and 'weaponised' to attack Corbyn.
Ruth Smeeth was given massive TV coverage (again) today to attack the Labour Party and Corbyn on the back of the Jewish Labour Movement vote of no confidence. There is no balance in the coverage. I still remember the YouTube coverage of the Chakrabarti Report launch which she and her friends hijacked by her walk out (Stephen Kinnock a willing side kick) when she claimed Marc Wadsworth had subjected her to anti-semitic abuse. He didn't. She and her allies lied. The video evidence is clear. He challenged her for feeding material to the Daily Telegraph and trying to destroy the party and the leader it had just elected. He was expelled for bringing the party into disrepute (after the anti-semitism charge was finally dropped) and she has become another teflon darling of the print and broadcast media.
Most of the high profile cases against left Labour activists are similar to Marc Wadsworth. Tony Greenstein (who I knew well back in the 1980s) was also witch-hunted out for his anti-Zionist blogs. Tony is Jewish. The machine that expelled him and others is much more sympathetic to Ruth Smeeth than to Jeremy Corbyn.
Labour has allegations to answer about individual (real) cases of member racism, and also about the effectiveness of its internal processes - but what this is really all about is something different and much more insidious.
I never named any party. Others did that. I don't really give a toss, but it was quite enlightening how fast some came to the labour party's defence. Or was it defence of what some seeing it as becoming??
Jon, I accept that is your view and your opinion but I don't accept everything you say, nor am I particularly interested.
This began because of another poster's direct personal attack on me and has nothing to do with this thread, but what I said to him obviously set some of you off. Give it up, we aren't going to agree.
Fair enough. This won't go anywhere as a way of changing minds.
For what it's worth I left the Labour Party 6 years ago (after 27 years as a member) and have no organisational ties with them any more. I also have some major problems with the way Corbyn and his circle have led the party. But that is dwarfed in my mind by the positives he brings and by my anger at the dishonest and cynical way he has been attacked from outside and from within.
This isn't aimed at you xnaggle , because you're not interested, but two recent articles by maverick Conservative commentator Peter Oborne are interesting and very relevant to the original subject of the thread, and the campaign to get rid of Corbyn:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...d-think-again/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinio...r-leader-truth
I actually liked Corbyn. I was far more labour leaning than conservative but this whole brexit debate has turned it upside down for me.
Corbyn who used to wear his heart on his sleeve now seems multi-faced. I don’t know where he stands anymore. I am pro-brexit, and I’m still not sure what Corbyn is.