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Because those so-called left leaning papers/magazines have often claimed that Corbyn, Corbynistas, Momentum (except when they like Momentum for challenging what they think Corbyn believes) have taken over or hijacked the Labour Party - and as a result they have called for voters to support the Lib Dems, Greens, Change UK etc.
The leader and the party don't have to be the same - although in the case of Labour the vast majority of the expanded membership support the leader, even if it is still a minority of MPs - but my point was that the liberal press have equated the leader with the party when trying to influence electoral outcomes.
You've taken out of the equation completely the possibility that papers have an agenda to get people to think the way they want.
I would agree that many don't consider political leanings when they buy a paper. The media will know this. Their job is to peddle what they're told to, or set the agenda their bosses want.
I think the Labour anti-semitism 'crisis' is partly manufactured, although there are clearly some real examples of appalling racism.
I think the position of Labour as the main opposition with mainly Remain members and MPs, but with a large minority of its (mainly historic) supporters backing Leave was always going to put it in a difficult position - unlike smaller parties who could ignore half the country and adopt a clean position.
However, I agree that the Labour Party leadership has at times been weak and indecisive. They are very inexperienced, and the leader never wanted the role - although he has since grown into it a bit in that he has stopped offering up as many easy targets for hostile media and internal opponents to shoot at.
Despite the risk of splitting the Labour Party, the leadership has been fence sitting and watching the Tories implode for too long. A stronger and more experienced opposition would probably have been more effective in 2018. However, that doesn't magic away the parliamentary arithmetic or Theresa May's personality and style.
Maybe Labour could have damaged her more and brought her to a compromise offer without her own party dumping her? But that could only have been around a 'soft' Brexit (customs union etc.), and would also have risked splitting the Labour Party (even though that may have been in line with conference policy).
Yeah the Labour manifesto in 2017 was really dangerous. Yeah Corbyn was really dangerous to oppose the Iraq War, Syria, Libya etc because they went really well.
The dangerous ones are the Tories who will shaft the weakest in our society.
Anyway I look forward to all the names of the lefties in the corridors of power at the BBC.
Corbyn would have to go some to match the chaos caused by the last two incumbents at number 10.
A couple of quotes from people who have worked inside it. But I'm sure people with all the internet skills will be able to find something to argue against it.
One thing I would say, I never said individuals were biased but that the BBC as an institution is. It is that way by virtue of the people who work there, some of whom think they are more intelligent than the 'masses' who need to be 'guided' and 'educated'.
https://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/
I'm sure anyone could create a list of biased quotes depending on their political colours; there are plenty of people on the left who are exasperated at the BBC's stance at times. Maybe it depends on what you're listening to at the time - The News Quiz or the Today show.
What's wrong with being 'educated'? Sometimes I watch telly to learn stuff.
I think this rather proves the point about the BBC's alleged bias
https://inews.co.uk/culture/televisi...ght-wing-bias/
It seems that, surprise, surprise the bias is nearly always seen as being in favour of the side that is opposite your own politics - something which may well suggest that the BBC is, broadly, neutral.
I think that's a fair analysis Jon, but with regard to your last paragraph, I did quite a long post on the politics forum outlining why I believe that Europe is/has been a much bigger problem for the Conservatives than for Labour. While I accept that it would mean losing votes and probably members from the Leave side of the argument, my instinct (admittedly, I'm far from infallible in that department!) is that Labour would handle a change of approach to favour becoming a "remain" party far better than the Tories would and so feel that they are missing a trick so to speak - again, I'm talking instinct here, but it seems to me that the current leader is the biggest obstruction to such a thing happening.
I think education is a wonderful thing. The comment about needing to be educated with regard to the people we were discussing was in, "We need to educate these people who obviouskly on't think the same as us, the error of their ways" It didin't mean education in the usual school - college- university way.
There you go again with your totally unnecessary and offensive language. Who the feck are you to call anyone a prick or a scumbag you keyboard warrior toss pot?
You must have wasted some time trawling to find that post mind. It was in the Saudi murder thread ages ago. Couldn't you find anything later?
And what I said was neither left nor right wing, but a simple fact. The man knew the Saudi's didn't like him (to put it mildly) and he knew that when he entered the Embassy he would be on Saudi sovereign territory, so by extension he knew the risk he was taking. you must have a very twisted view of things to turn that into something you are suggesting.
you're just an insulting arsehole.
You are correct though, this board’s Jeremy’s Corbyn resorts to insults at the drop of a hat. I’ve been insulted and sworn at by him. Luckily for us we are not snowflakes and sticks and stones etc etc. Still he does lose the debate each time he swears at and insults other posters.
Second election to elect a Prime Minister.
The one before Theresa May was Cameron in 2005!!
They were happy enough with him for over 10 years and he wasn't pushed but went himself.
I'm not a great fan of a second referendum but if it was just to confirm the way we leave I could accept it.
I would not support one if remain was one of the choices
We've done that.