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Thread: A dreadful team to watch

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    A dreadful team to watch

    During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."

    Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."

    The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.

    Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.

    After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.

    The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.

    Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.

    Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.

  2. #2

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    It certainly sounds a very defensive set up last night. There seems a real crisis in confidence st the club which seems a bit odd. If you had lost all of your games then I could understand it but it’s been an average start to the season. Not a good start but not a disastrous start. Just average.

    I still think Cardiff will feature somewhere in the top half but top two doesn’t look likely on current form. Given where the club have been post war that would still be one of the highest finishes in the League the club have managed in the past 70 years. So is it really that bad?

  3. #3

    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."

    Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."

    The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.

    Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.

    After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.

    The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.

    Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.

    Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.
    It was awful.
    The best that can be said about it is that delivered a point.....but is that the level that we have reached?

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    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    It certainly sounds a very defensive set up last night. There seems a real crisis in confidence st the club which seems a bit odd. If you had lost all of your games then I could understand it but it’s been an average start to the season. Not a good start but not a disastrous start. Just average.
    I don't think it's that odd based on what I've seen.

    Manga and Bamba have both been integral to the defensive set-up in recent seasons. Manga's gone and Bamba's injured. Meanwhile, Morrison looks far less assured alongside Flint.

    In midfield, Gunnarsson has gone, as have Arter and Camarasa. Warnock has resorted to using Tomlin, who he obviously wanted to get rid of before the injury to Pack. Tomlin was almost completely anonymous last night. To me, he just doesn't look suited a Warnock set-up at all.

    Up front, Reid left in acrimonious circumstances, which suggests all is not entirely well in the camp. Zohore, who was hit and miss but his teammates knew was capable on his day, he also left. Meanwhile, Glatzel is an unknown quantity for everyone at this stage.

    The club has lost players who were influential on the pitch and in a few cases clearly popular in the dressing room. The replacements so far don't look adequate.

  5. #5

    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY View Post
    It was awful.
    The best that can be said about it is that delivered a point.....but is that the level that we have reached?
    We don't seem to have the energy to play a game that relies on stealing the ball high up the pitch Vs possession based sides. Fulham were trying to draw us out but we never bit really so they ended up just passing it between the back 4 for quite a lot of the game. During our promotion year teams did the same and we were good enough to force them into a mistake, I think possibly these players need longer together to understand how to work as a unit out of possession.

  6. #6

    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."

    Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."

    The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.

    Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.

    After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.

    The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.

    Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.

    Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.
    Little to disagree with in what you say. I thought it looked like an attack against defence training exercise until the red card. In fairness to City, they did execute the game plan well and Fulham for their part were pretty poor and didn’t move the ball quickly enough to draw City out of their rigid shape.

    The same tactics got us promoted last time because we a lot more solid defensively and a lot more threatening from set pieces. This season without Manga and Bamba, we look so much more nervy at the back at times, and we hardly look like threatening from set prices and I include long throws with that. Unless we improve the moments where we switch off or start scoring more goals to compensate , I think we’ll struggle to make the playoffs.

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    We played in the Premiership with Championship players.
    We are now playing in the Championship with a combination of our weaker players from last season and League 1 imports.
    Injuries are a problem but had the squad been strengthened rather than weakened would have been less so.

  8. #8

    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    It certainly sounds a very defensive set up last night. There seems a real crisis in confidence st the club which seems a bit odd. If you had lost all of your games then I could understand it but it’s been an average start to the season. Not a good start but not a disastrous start. Just average.

    I still think Cardiff will feature somewhere in the top half but top two doesn’t look likely on current form. Given where the club have been post war that would still be one of the highest finishes in the League the club have managed in the past 70 years. So is it really that bad?
    You seem a good guy Pearcey but what has the last 70 years got to do with it.

    The context of the club is that it was on an upward curve since Warnock took over 3 years ago.

    Last season was obviously different considering our opposition yet we were in with a chance of staying up almost until the end.

    Comparatively we have spent buckets of money since the year we went up and it's like we've thrown it down the drain on purpose in order to remain "plucky underdogs" and to "hang on to coattails"!

    Good post TLG by the way. Yes I will agree with those who protest that Fulham were boring. Parker definitely got it wrong playing Harry Arter and Harrison Reed last night.

    Arter is limited at best and I was struggling to see how the position he was continually taking up in like a left sided central defensive midfield area was in anyway effective!

    Even it was on our left where Murphy was it would be a bit more understandable but we don't create anything there and playing Johansen and pushing him further forward would have hurt us more.

    All I learned last night was Scott Parkers limitations.

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    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Stavross1927 View Post
    The same tactics got us promoted last time because we a lot more solid defensively and a lot more threatening from set pieces. This season without Manga and Bamba, we look so much more nervy at the back at times, and we hardly look like threatening from set prices and I include long throws with that. Unless we improve the moments where we switch off or start scoring more goals to compensate , I think we’ll struggle to make the playoffs.
    The bit I've highlighted has genuinely surprised me. For such a big side, City seem to be winning very little in the air from set pieces. Without doing so, their attacking options look even further reduced. Those long throws from Morrison are especially tedious. He should be in the area for set pieces getting on the end of things, not taking throw-ins. It's an abysmal tactic.

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    I couldn't agree more. Forget playing styles and philosophies, we are just very poor at the moment and terrible value for the ticket price.

    I'm not someone who thinks all football should be played beautifully or 'tiki-taka' is the be all and end all but we don't even have the ability at the moment to pass the ball 5/10 yards to feet, switch play, vary set pieces, attack with purpose or even control the ball.

    Where has the spark gone? Where is the intensity? Why aren't the players taking responsibility on the pitch to use the ball rather than continuously flick it on or turn it round the corner like it's made of anthrax? The amount of times we tried to force it down the left hand side when players were marked and the space had been cut off, rather than switch play and move Fulham about, was mind boggling.

    I even think Warnock has lost his spark, he looks very flat to me. Maybe last season and the Sala tragedy has taken it's toll on him. I am hugely thankful for what he has done for the club, he's been incredible but I think maybe it's a season too many? I won't call for his head but we need a dramatic change otherwise this is going to be a long tough season.

    I thought Fulham were actually pretty poor last night too, they passed it and passed it without any pace and to me didn't look that dangerous. They are still quite shaky at the back too, so why the game plan was to sit back and try and hit the on the break at home was baffling. Especially after the 1st 20 mins when the players could have seen that they were there for the taking.

    Oh well, hopefully the international break will give them a bit of time to re-group and change the approach even if it just makes us more enjoyable to watch.

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    Liar. That was a good game and the contrasting styles made for exciting viewing, but that wouldn't fit your agenda. We got a point against the bookies pre season joint favourites, even though we are missing some key players.

    I'd love it if we played this way for the next 20 years. Why would anybody want to see defenders passing a ball around for a third of the game? Get the ball to the skilled men and let centre backs do what they do so well.

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    It was hard watching that in the ground. Both sides were awful to watch.

    The only thing that made it remotely enjoyable was its live football and our team battling for a point or the 3. I really dont get why any non supporter would have sat through it.

    Have to say the crowd well the Canton mainly were fantastic last night. Made the night more bearable.

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    I came away from last night's game surprisingly optimistic. Fulham were nothing special yet will be one of the stronger teams in this league. We should get stronger with personnel coming back and the new guys improving. But reading this post has bought me back to earth with a bang. TLG is spot on. Last night was not good enough. This season is not good enough. We should be doing so much more. Warnock's negativity is tedious.

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    I don’t think the OP understands football that well if he doesn’t understand why we played like that last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird View Post
    I don’t think the OP understands football that well if he doesn’t understand why we played like that last night.
    Please explain. Why did we play football like that last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird View Post
    I don’t think the OP understands football that well if he doesn’t understand why we played like that last night.
    I think I understand it quite well, oh great one. I believe it's because the current team isn't very good by Championship standards.

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    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc View Post
    Please explain. Why did we play football like that last night?
    Fulham passed the ball in triangles between Mawson, Ream and Arter for large periods of the game constantly trying to probe us into going forward and leaving space in behind for them to attack Morrison and Flint. The fact we held our shape so well should be applauded because if we’d gone gung ho to press high up the pitch then we’d have been sliced apart.

    The moaning from people like the OP (who gave up on the club a few years ago then suddenly came back last season if I remember rightly) is more painful than anything we watched last night.

    The squad is pretty stretched atm, the last thing we needed was to go into the international break on the back of a defeat. 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses from the first six games isn’t brilliant and it’s far from dreadful either.

    Last night’s game was no different to games like Derby, Millwall, Middlesbrough and Bristol City at home during the last Championship campaign. The ball didn’t fall for us last night though.

    Had Glatzel’s header gone in or Morrison’s been tapped in then everyone would’ve been lining up to praise him.

    Warnock has his faults (shock horror - he’s spent the majority of his career in the football league) - but having a pop at last night is just silly behaviour.

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    Opened this thread thinking it was going to be about Fulham, who in my eyes are tediously boring.

    Yes, “OUR NEIL” picked a defensively looking team, but with the injuries and new players we have, i for one don’t blame him.

    322 sideways passes, 15 back passes to the goalkeeper (that’s in the first half), boring, boring boring

    Even if we don’t end up with the players blending together, “OUR NEIL”, has given us two and a half great seasons and any FAN who agrees with the OP thread, should look in the mirror and ask “what do I really want at my football club”

    We’re treading water, yes, but we haven’t spent half of what boring Fulham have.

    We all wanna see free, fast flowing football, but it ain’t going to happen with “OUR NEIL”, I know that, you know that, every f ucker knows that, SO WHY MOAN ABOUT IT, when it don’t happen ?????

    Long live Cardiff City, lets hope we never become another Bury !!!

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    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird View Post
    Fulham passed the ball in triangles between Mawson, Ream and Arter for large periods of the game constantly trying to probe us into going forward and leaving space in behind for them to attack Morrison and Flint. The fact we held our shape so well should be applauded because if we’d gone gung ho to press high up the pitch then we’d have been sliced apart.

    The moaning from people like the OP (who gave up on the club a few years ago then suddenly came back last season if I remember rightly) is more painful than anything we watched last night.

    The squad is pretty stretched atm, the last thing we needed was to go into the international break on the back of a defeat. 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses from the first six games isn’t brilliant and it’s far from dreadful either.

    Last night’s game was no different to games like Derby, Millwall, Middlesbrough and Bristol City at home during the last Championship campaign. The ball didn’t fall for us last night though.

    Had Glatzel’s header gone in or Morrison’s been tapped in then everyone would’ve been lining up to praise him.

    Warnock has his faults (shock horror - he’s spent the majority of his career in the football league) - but having a pop at last night is just silly behaviour.
    On your knees, boys and girls. Sunderland Bluebird knows best. The mighty Fulham (who have already been beaten this season by the equally mighty Barnsley and Nottingham Forest), would have surely sliced Cardiff City apart had the Bluebirds attempted to do anything other 'hold their shape'. That's what football is all about.

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    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird View Post
    Fulham passed the ball in triangles between Mawson, Ream and Arter for large periods of the game constantly trying to probe us into going forward and leaving space in behind for them to attack Morrison and Flint. The fact we held our shape so well should be applauded because if we’d gone gung ho to press high up the pitch then we’d have been sliced apart.

    The moaning from people like the OP (who gave up on the club a few years ago then suddenly came back last season if I remember rightly) is more painful than anything we watched last night.

    The squad is pretty stretched atm, the last thing we needed was to go into the international break on the back of a defeat. 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses from the first six games isn’t brilliant and it’s far from dreadful either.

    Last night’s game was no different to games like Derby, Millwall, Middlesbrough and Bristol City at home during the last Championship campaign. The ball didn’t fall for us last night though.

    Had Glatzel’s header gone in or Morrison’s been tapped in then everyone would’ve been lining up to praise him.

    Warnock has his faults (shock horror - he’s spent the majority of his career in the football league) - but having a pop at last night is just silly behaviour.
    Ive no problem with the set up to stop them. We did that well but come on our ball retention when we won it back was poor.

    Plus with them down to 10 in the dying minutes taking long throws down the line continuously just looking to win the 2nd ball was pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    On your knees, boys and girls. Sunderland Bluebird knows best. The mighty Fulham (who have already been beaten this season by the equally mighty Barnsley and Nottingham Forest), would have surely sliced Cardiff City apart had the Bluebirds attempted to do anything other 'hold their shape'. That's what football is all about.
    Haha is that the best you can come up with in response? My work here is done.

    Come back when we’re winning again, I think you’ve forgotten how football works buddy.

  22. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    We all wanna see free, fast flowing football, but it ain’t going to happen with “OUR NEIL”, I know that, you know that, every f ucker knows that, SO WHY MOAN ABOUT IT, when it don’t happen ?????
    Why talk about football at all? Indeed, I'm surprised you do.

  23. #23

    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Ive no problem with the set up to stop them. We did that well but come on our ball retention when we won it back was poor.

    Plus with them down to 10 in the dying minutes taking long throws down the line continuously just looking to win the 2nd ball was pathetic.
    I agree mate, we didn’t do well enough when they went down to 10. If Tomlin had still been on when the red happened then it may have been different but there was a lack of quality in the final third to open them up that will need to be addressed in the upcoming months.

    Still, a decent point overall that many would’ve taken beforehand.

    Imagine starting threads about dreadful football 6 games into a season, the modern football fan for you I’m afraid!

  24. #24

    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."

    Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."

    The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.

    Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.

    After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.

    The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.

    Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.

    Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.

    At one stage Fulham made 19 passes between the back four without progressing more than 10 meters in their own half. That's shite football.

    Everyone here was predicting a comfortable win for Fulham.

    Did our style of football surprise you?

    I've noticed since you had a public hissy fit and gave up following the club. You appear now and then to complain, constantly.

    Ffs we even had to read your 'woe is me' posts on selling your memorabilia.

    We're all entitled to our opinion but feck me, you take 'moaning bas####' to a whole new level.

    Go for a few pints, and learn to relax.

  25. #25

    Re: A dreadful team to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird View Post
    Haha is that the best you can come up with in response? My work here is done.

    Come back when we’re winning again, I think you’ve forgotten how football works buddy.
    I know how football works, buddy. I've been watching it for decades. I watch it almost every week. Thankfully, most of it isn't as awful as the dross Warnock serves up on a regular basis (win, lose or draw). Come back when we're winning again? I honestly don't know what that's supposed to mean.

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