Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by RonnieBird
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If they are weaponised why are they ignored. We have polls that show Tories ahead of Labour rammed down our throats on every political program and by most of the print press but I have only ever seen the odd one of these break the surface.
That's because they're not as effective as they used to be, either because people no longer trust them, or because fewer people are scared to hold what might seem to be a minority opinion.
If anything good comes out of this farce hopefully the whole world will see what corrupt, bigoted arseholes the DUP are.
I met an Irish artist/lecturer on a bus in Portugal last week and he was under the impression that people in the south of Ireland no longer look longingly at a united Ireland these days and that things have changed in that respect - and in my opinion it's probably true that many (if not most) people in Britain feel little affinity for the Province and that it is quite alien in many respects.
Are either of those views a fair assessment in general?
From my experience and talking to my fiends and family over the water whilst at times there’s a romantic image of a United Ireland the logical thinking is that the Republic is in a good place. They’ve had their problems over the years but it’s no longer the ultra conservative Catholic state of the likes De Valera espoused and a confident fairly successful nation. Logically the view from a lot is why should they take on a massive massive problem where half the population of the six counties don’t want to be there
It’s a 300 year plus problem, simplistic idea but plantation policy in the 1600’s has a lot to answer for!!
Hundred years ago Belfast was the big industrial heartbeat of Ireland, now it’s stagnated and depopulated due to all the shite that’s gone on.
.Many people voted for this!
It would be hilarious if it were not so serious.
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Many people voted for £350m per week extra into the NHS too.
There we go two broken promises, or one, didnt the govemment pump the value into NHS though?
https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-engl...-million-more/
Well that would go someway to satisfying the promise if brexit was going to yield an overall short term economic dividend. It is almost universally accepted that it won't, so whilst a commitment to spend more on health is good news (how good, depends on where the additional spending is proposed to be sourced from...), all it proves is that remain could have driven an equally big red bus around promising a substantially higher net increase in funding for the NHS as they weren't proposing to crash the economy in exchange for it.
You realise when the government makes a spending pledge there is a good chance it is coming out of the pockets of working people? It isn't the kind of benevolence that your various posts suggest you think it is, or should be viewed as.
Bit more complicated than that, but have you never considered the great deals the Irish would get from US trade ?
There's a huge Irish lobby in the USA and the island of Ireland as a whole would get a double portion of the benefits on either side of the border.
Of course, the Irish themselves tried to get free from Europe and voted to leave but just like here they had their own traitors ,and it was those traitors who prevailed - at least for the time being. I think they'll be the next to leave one way or another.
Bit more complicated than that. They had a vote on the Lisbon treaty, they didn’t like it. They got what they wanted and passed it/
The Republic Of Ireland has enjoyed being part of the EU as all polls show a very high desire to remain so I think ‘Irexit’ despite what you say won’t be happening any time soon or after that.
Those polls are probably fake though.
Only as long as they show support for the EU.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...eals-1.3488112
Well, the Irish have a tendency to resent Foriegn involvement in the country after a while you know.
Well the way Johnson is going with his Irish Sea border and all that goes with it we may see the end of 'Foreign involvement' in the 6 counties sooner rather than later - and a united Ireland within the EU. The Irish seem to enjoy their pooled sovereignty through the institutions of the EU and the ability of a small country on the edge of the continent to influence the direction of a union of 27 states.
You know.
You're an awful clever fellah with your cartoons and opinions about Ireland, you know
Although according to the BBC it will create thousands of civil service jobs in Northern Ireland which will be financed by compulsory redundancies across every department in the U.K and a ' root and branch ' revue of civil service pensions. It's a pity that we've got to employ more pencil necked clerks and time wasters in Ireland, but the good side is that we can reduce their numbers on the mainland.
That'll be good for enterprise and there'll be an overall saving providing the pension reductions go ahead.
“I looked him in the eye and he said”
https://twitter.com/dawnhfoster/stat...893829636?s=21
Was that meant to be a Boris Johnson impression?
Oh no, dont get the ex civil servants riled up, they add so much value and debate, we'd be lost without them .
They voted leave, not half in, half out, they voted no deal leave.
Throughout the campaign, the leave groups from Faridge downwards talked about Norway, Canada ++, etc - what kind of deal we would have with the EU when we left. So this suggestion that people voted no deal is preposterous, just outright wrong.
But let's park that.
Say we do have a no deal brexit. What happens in the future? Will there never be an arrangement with the EU? WTO forever?
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