Hilts 5 million labour voters mainly in the north of england voted Brexit so they listened to Farage and co . Ahead of the last GE think Coburn should have played a trump card and listened to many of his own voters !
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Sadly thats not true Sludge. The amount of stupid tw@ts who would never vote Tory have been fooled by Farage , the Hamilton's and co.
Labour can either turn this around with an electable leader or cut its own throat. The sad thing is Long Bailey McDonnell Abbott and those who need to step aside will live comfortably in permanent opposition.
Hilts 5 million labour voters mainly in the north of england voted Brexit so they listened to Farage and co . Ahead of the last GE think Coburn should have played a trump card and listened to many of his own voters !
Im pretty sure out of the 2 Corbyn was more in favour of brexit than Boris. But what was more important to Boris is that he had always wanted to be Prime Minister saw his opportunity and took it.
Corbyn i believe had good intentions but was a useless leader and had the likes of McDonnell pulling the strings
I do believe this all goes back to Labour appointing the wrong Milliband brother.
fair point hilts but to me it was crystal clear corbyn should have accepted the brexit vote and fought on main stream issues like health care , housing etc in the GE .
While Corbynistas call the shots in the form of Momentum an electable MP will have an almighty job of becoming leader. While Lisa Nandy appears to be the stand out candidate even she has to avoid too harshly criticising the former leadership in order to curry favour with the membership. I believe she would make a more than decent leader but sadly either the useless (Corbyn in a skirt) RLB or the bland Keir Starmer are likely to win.
I agree. Nandy to be fair said Labour should have campaigned for a softer Brexit.
She for me is the stand out candidate. Starmer will probably win. Im ok with that.
Long Bailey would be a disaster for those who want a Labour Govt as opposed to a protest opposition party.
Yes do agree the statement is very insulting, but in its nature its the only thing the Corbyn , Bailey, Lewis, Abbott and McDonald clan and its supporters can cling onto , as they have no other excuse for this continued electoral failure .
Its as if they're in an endless denial bubble , very sad state of affairs of a once great party, of the people.
Lets pray they elect someone fresh like Nandy and change their course , and put up a decent , viable opposition to the Tories.
Labour have been worse than useless for yrs.
Corbyns popularity was zero. That fact was screaming out, yet it was continually ignored by the party. Their last manifesto was like a kids Christmas list fo Santa.
There is no place In the UK for extreme right or extreme left ideals. The middle ground is crying out to be occupied, yet there seems absolutely nobody
around with the ability, the drive or the dynamism to take it.
Eric’s continued accusations that the majority of folk are brainwashed by the media, is both ignorant and insulting..
For people in the most deprived areas to vote Tory, tells us how desperate we are for genuine opposition with realistic, achievable and popular targets.
Looking ahead, the fallout from the "woke" brigade will provide a few weeks entertainment if the MAN gets the nod, I don't know much about any of them, but a continuation of Corbyn (RBL) IMO, virtually wipes out any potential of a labour government at the next election.
Yo got one of these "T" Shirts ?
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Labour is summed up by Momentums leadership choide question to its members " do you support Rebecca Long Bailey yes or no " no other option or choice, democratic bullies, as is Unite ,thuggery politics it's best , our choice or no choice, our policy direction , no direction , even If this means no Labour government, they have destroyed the party, in the name of a very narrow ideology .
No it wasn't no one knew what there policy was, the leader stated I'm neutral , the cabinet and party split , as was its electorate.
What in anyone's world is not having any position, a soft Brexit position , it was the Labour strategist not wanting to engage Brexit that did for them in the election , Boris had a position did and won the mandate to leave.
I think what Nancy is elluding too was having a strong position and message , neutral does not work .
I still don't think it would have mattered though as a lot if folk wanted out .
Corbyn handed it to them on a plate as the mains, along with Boris as the desert .
Tony Blairs successful polices might be worth digging up .
At the time I'm sure it was viewed as the middle ground party .
Before you explode on a Momentum/Corbyn type personality rant, I'm not refering to the man or the Iraq war , its the policies around health , policing, education that appealed and attracted landslide victories .
The Blair middle ground saw him in power for 10 years as PM , and Brown for 3 , sadly we will never see the like again as the Tories will now occupy the middle ground for years to come.
Labour did have a chance when selecting between the Miliband's, however , Labour once again imploded and chose the wrong leader (gosh this has a ring to it, Brown , Ed, Corbyn , dear me ,what a trio ) anyways they happened to chose the wrong one .
David Miliband , would have slaughtered Cameron , May , Boris .
Welcome to the nightmare.
"Labour will give the people the final say on Brexit. Within three months of coming to power, a Labour government will secure a sensible deal. And within six months, we will put that deal to a public vote alongside the option to remain. A Labour government will implement whatever the people decide."
The only bit of detective work you have to do is translate 'sensible deal'. I think they mean closer alignment without the possibility of bombing out.
Now, I am not saying their brexit position didn't lose them votes, but it certainly wasn't unclear.