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    Universal Credit , same old tories

    Not only is it a complete balls up , it's going to cost 500 Million more than expected and will not be rolled out till 2024

    Iain Duncan Smith , a legend in his own lunchtime

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Not only is it a complete balls up , it's going to cost 500 Million more than expected and will not be rolled out till 2024

    SIR Iain Duncan Smith , a legend in his own lunchtime
    Edited for you.
    That's what Tories give you for being an utter bastard to people who need welfare...a knighthood.
    Let alone the bollocks he made over UC.
    Thank goodness I have never needed it.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn View Post
    Edited for you.
    That's what Tories give you for being an utter bastard to people who need welfare...a knighthood.
    Let alone the bollocks he made over UC.
    Thank goodness I have never needed it.
    A series following the disaster that is universal credit starts at 9pm on bbc2 tomorrow

    Idiots , all done to tramp down on the poor

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    They'll still be voted back into office at the next election, possibly making more gains in Wales

    I despair

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    The Universal Credit of today is not the one that was first announced and is not the same one which needed many flaws fixed through court challenges, although flaws within the system still exist. Will be interesting to see result of Scotland aiming to fix benefits system and if that can be taken into Wales/the UK.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Didn't Ian Duncan Smith resign over the budget huge cuts to Universal Credit which caused the problems with roll out? I think George Osborne was the villain and not IDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Didn't Ian Duncan Smith resign over the budget huge cuts to Universal Credit which caused the problems with roll out? I think George Osborne was the villain and not IDS.
    Wasn't this back in 2016 before the Brexit referendum? I think IDS stated that he resigned more over cuts to PIPs, though he was also arguably pushed as he wasn't popular with Cameron and Osborne, and also sat on the opposite side of the EU fence to them. Me thinks politics was most likely in progress here and he used PIPs as a reason for resigning to make him look like the good guy while being able to set his own EU agenda.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Didn't Ian Duncan Smith resign over the budget huge cuts to Universal Credit which caused the problems with roll out? I think George Osborne was the villain and not IDS.
    your right

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    your right
    You're both wrong. It was over cuts to PIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    You're both wrong. It was over cuts to PIP
    It was both related.


    Iain Duncan Smith*has resigned as work and pensions secretary over cuts to disability benefits, in the most dramatic cabinet departure of David Cameron’s leadership.

    In a sign that divisions over Europe have heightened tensions in the*Conservatives, the former party leader stormed out of his job, saying he thought the cuts to welfare for disabled people known as personal independence payments (PIP) were a “compromise too far”.

    The Guardian view on Iain Duncan Smith: a very political resignation

    *

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    Duncan Smith, who is campaigning to leave the EU in opposition to Downing Street, said he had too often felt under pressure to make huge welfare savings before a budget in a stinging critique of George Osborne’s entire approach to reducing the deficit.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    It was both related.


    Iain Duncan Smith*has resigned as work and pensions secretary over cuts to disability benefits, in the most dramatic cabinet departure of David Cameron’s leadership.

    In a sign that divisions over Europe have heightened tensions in the*Conservatives, the former party leader stormed out of his job, saying he thought the cuts to welfare for disabled people known as personal independence payments (PIP) were a “compromise too far”.

    The Guardian view on Iain Duncan Smith: a very political resignation

    *

    Read more

    Duncan Smith, who is campaigning to leave the EU in opposition to Downing Street, said he had too often felt under pressure to make huge welfare savings before a budget in a stinging critique of George Osborne’s entire approach to reducing the deficit.
    Read it again... Slowly.

    "cuts to disability benefits"
    "cuts to welfare for disabled people known as personal independence payments (PIP)"

    Nowhere does it mention UC... which isn't a disability benefit.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Read it again... Slowly.

    "cuts to disability benefits"
    "cuts to welfare for disabled people known as personal independence payments (PIP)"

    Nowhere does it mention UC... which isn't a disability benefit.
    If you say so , as long as your happy its fine . Lol

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Tories have totally effed this up, as they have effed the rules on detaining the terror brigade, they (Labour) better have their act together for the next GE, it should be easy pickings next time.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If you say so , as long as your happy its fine . Lol
    IDS said so LOLOL!!!

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    IDS said so LOLOL!!!
    Its like being in school ,na,na,na,na.

    To help settle you down, you win .

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Its like being in school ,na,na,na,na.

    To help settle you down, you win .
    I know. You were wrong to start with.

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    Duncan smith resigned over personal independence payments

    It wasnt for any moral support of the disabled , he wouldnt have ended dla which was replaced by pip if he had morals

    He did it because his ego had been bruised

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Its like being in school ,na,na,na,na.

    To help settle you down, you win .
    I am afraid hes right

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Surprised no-one has made mention of the BBC series UC, Inside the Welfare State.

    The first two episodes can be watched on BBC iPlayer, and episode 3 will be available after it's broadcast next week - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00...episodes/guide

    You need to register an email address first though to view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Surprised no-one has made mention of the BBC series UC, Inside the 7Welfare State.

    The first two episodes can be watched on BBC iPlayer, and episode 3 will be available after it's broadcast next week - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00...episodes/guide

    You need to register an email address first though to view.
    It is because of this programme I made the thread

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Argh, got you.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Argh, got you.
    Not so much mind-reading as reading then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Not so much mind-reading as reading then!
    Organs got a dodgy past , theft , fraud , daylight robbery etc but hes not very bright and he needs time and understanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Not so much mind-reading as reading then!
    I'd overlooked Sludgey's second post in this thread.

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    Re: Universal Credit , same old tories

    Well this welfare reform thing isn't going too well

    The problem is , the people it isn't going very well for is the claimants

    It was almost laughable watching Theresa Coffey the new dwp secretary dismiss the rise in the use of food banks with problems in the running of universal credit

    The way these tories just blatantly tow the party line in the face of such overwhelming evidence is staggering

    What do these people know about poverty ?

    Absolutely **** all

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