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I see that Rollin Menayase has featured in twenty plus games for Bristol Rovers (who are only one level below us) this season as well.Originally Posted by cardiff55
Well if Exeter were one then apparently it was then that refused it.
I would also think that if Harris wanted to play him in the Cup then he would have held off any loans until we were out. Coxe may just be a victim of circumstances. Harsh to be judged on just 3 cup games in a makeshift team
However in the cold light of day I’d say both Brown and Bagan did better in their games.
How many players do you keep in the hope they break through ??
I was hopeful for Coxe but it doesn't seem to have worked out for him.
I'm in the Jimmy the Jock camp of thinking he's shown glimpses of a good player,but if he isn't kicking on and making a mark at his age then the right thing to do is let him go, he's still got a chance to make it somewhere else, there's even a chance he may kick on, who knows, but it wasn't to be for Coxe at Cardiff. Let's hope he doesn't end up at WBA with Ajayi
Pretty obvious isn't it? If the club don't rate him which they obviously don't then what's the point in keeping him and loaning him out.
No, it's not pretty obvious. On the one hand, we have Lawnmower saying he wasn't loaned out because they wanted to use him in the FA Cup and now we have you saying there wasn't any point loaning him out because they'd decided he wasn't good enough, so what was the point in using him against Carlisle?
A few weeks ago when Harris was questioned on the signing of Sanderson and Smith, and what it meant for Coxe, he was talking about the need to get Coxe out on loan to play regular senior football. Either something has changed in the last 3 weeks (the obvious change is the Steve Morison appointment) or Harris didn't make the decision.
Guessing they made the decision after the cup games.
Dont get the fuss. 21 year old. Doesnt look good enough when he plays. All our coaching staff have seen him for years.
Decision not good enough.
If he turns into Roberto Carlos lets moan then. Lets face it club have made the right decision.
Agreed. Surprised at the fuss. Thought he looked average and unremarkable.
If he wasn’t welsh no one would care.
It'll be another Semi Ajayi scenario
I don't think there's any fuss is there? Everyone's just discussing why they think it's happened, which isn't unreasonable
Id say there is. A thread dedicated to a young player being released with over 50 replies is.
Weve released loads of players. Why the fuss over Coxe.?
Because he was the only academy graduate in recent memory that we thought might make it
Boards got how many members! A few people writing one reply each isn't a fuss, is it.
Agreed. The club and coaches would have worked with him every day. For whatever reason he's been deemed not good enough, like thousands before him. We don't have much of an idea what type of player he was, what his strengths were, how he reacted or what his character was like, nobody has made a case for him on here based on his footballing ability, yet some are surprised he's been released, based on what?
He's 21, he's not playing, he was poor against Carlisle, that was his last chance and he didn't take it. People can cite a make shift team, and ridiculously saying that other players didn't perform either (what has that got to do with it?) The fact is that Coxe was given an opportunity to show his worth on two occasions and he blew it. There aren't any excuses, all he had to do was concentrate on himself and do the basics right and offer a bit of quality when going forward, he didn't.
Without sounding condescending i really think that fans need to understand that football is brutal, it's not like other jobs where you can fail at things, young footballers don't get that many chances. I'm trusting the club on this call, they know him better than anyone else.
It’s interesting, because just last month, Coxe was amongst the first team, so Harris presumably thought something of him.
We then get a new U23s manager and then 2 weeks later the player is told he’s being released.
Is Morison, after just 2 weeks in his new role, qualified to make that decision? If not, then why let others make that call, when he’d need longer to decide?
What makes this case different, is that the other players were not on the fringe of the first team, Coxe was.
Also, his dad is alleging that club turned down four loan proposals, although of course, we don’t know what they were.
I find it a bit weird, really.
Best of luck to him, though!
You're right, football is brutal, or at least it can be for some. I don't think that any of the thirteen players involved today (Whyte wasn't on the pitch long enough to be criticised in the same) will be judged in the same way as Coxe was for a performance I thought lacked desire, conviction and ability - it was as if they were thinking we've got no chance without Tomlin, and we're talking experienced players here, yet I bet they'll all be involved again on Tuesday.
I'm not saying that because I'm defending Cameron Coxe (I said earlier in the thread, I can understand the club's decision in a way)', but it does seem to me that there are double standards in play here.
Difference is that the players involved today have mostly done really well over the last few weeks.
Coxe didn’t have that luxury to fallback on.
How long should we hang on to a player who has been at the club for years and still hadn’t impressed enough to break into the 1st team picture ?
If we do, what do you say to the players coming behind him who are then denied a chance by a player 3 years older who’s not in the 1st team picture.
How much do you offer him , as he won’t be YTS any more.
No, for me, and it may be harsh, it’s probably better all round for him to have a crack elsewhere.
The only other option is to keep him and loan him straight out, but for that you’d need a club at a decent level who want to take him and pay his wages.
If the club can’t find that then he’s wasted another few months.
It’s a tough situation and harsh that players get so little chance to impress, but then we’ve got fans booing a manager today who’s lost 3 in 17 😳
That a lot more players come through the system when we were in the lower leagues and didn’t have a pot to piss in. The 3 you mention. Gareth Abraham and Lee Baddeley also. Steve Williams the keeper. Scott Young, Lee Jarman, Lee Phillips, Nathan Wigg, Simon Howarth, Andy Evans. All see a fair bit of first team action within the space of a few years.
Also, it was a 2 year YTS in those days and you were either cut loose when you are 18 or you joined the first team. This under 23 nonsense is a hinderence to the young lads rather than an advantage imo.
Now the boys who would normally be told they didn’t have a future at 18 are being strung along until they are 21/22.
think i posted this a few years ago but so apt even today
the side of academys no one talks about .it s a mugs game
http://www.parikiaki.com/2015/08/par...e-talks-about/
As I said, I don't want to make this just about Cameron Coxe. We've got one of the oldest squads in the league and I thought they turned in a performance today that was, in some ways, disgraceful for seasoned professionals - there's that cliche about how teams perform on a wet, windy Tuesday in Stoke, well today we didn't fancy it on a wet, windy Saturday in Stoke and for a team set up to play like we've been doing since Neil Warnock arrived that's just not on, yet I bet that for most, if not all, of those experienced pros, football won't be any where near as brutal for them when it comes to selection for Tuesday night.
So it's the system and level we perform at that is a contributory factor in a lack of youth development? I completely agree with you about the U23s, although joining the first team at 18 wouldn't have been easy although it could enhance a players chances as well.
Ofcourse it wont be so brutal, they've proved themselves to be able performers at this level over a period of years, they have history to back them up, that's how it works. Most of those Experienced pros would've been in the position Coxe and co were in at some point, it's not like they haven't gone through the process. The brutal bit comes when it's contract renewal time.
Which could be an issue for at least 2 of them today
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