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As it stands. Anyone got any theories or is there any hard evidence out there? Are there lots of extended family living together, People in very close proximity together or have the government and public failed to take this seriously-Initially?
I think initially it wasn't taken as seriously as it was here, plus they're both very social countries and quit tactile with friends etc.
During the first few weeks of their "lock down" people were still going to bars and restaurants etc.
Also Italy at least has an old population.
Not sure if they are the exact reasons but those are the ones I've read.
I've heard it said that those two countries are more tactile than most in Europe and I suppose it could be that the temperatures tend to be higher there than other on the continent, but I'm not really convinced about either of those. It seems to me that in a lot of countries with high rates, much of it is not hit that hard, but they, China and USA all have "hot spots", that's figures are so much worse than any where else - we have it here in Wales to some extent because I'm pretty sure I read that almost half of the deaths so far have come in the area served by the Royal Gwent Hospital - that may partially explain it.
There's compilation videos of Italian mayors going absolutely schizo on people for not paying attention to the quarantine, so I guess there's more than a bit of refusal to do what they've been told.
It will be interesting how all this pans out in Sweden. They seem to have taken a very laid back approach to things over there.
It was only a week or so ago that they said there couldn't be gatherings of more than 500, now they've amended that to 50.
Bars and cafés are still open, as are schools.
Apparently its worse in Northern Italy, because atalanta played valencia a couple of days before lockdown.
Attendance 44000.
https://www.si.com/.amp/soccer/2020/...ro-milan-italy
It's the constant handshaking, hugging and kissing that does it. It's the same here in France, although, in addition, the French don't wash their hands. Lucky to find soap or sometimes even a wash basin in the loos in bars and restaurants.
Is it worse, we seem to be back on the same trajectory as Italy after a delay of a couple of days.
Looks like today is a particularly bad day, I did hear on the radio yesterday a few low days to be followed by a return to the norm should be expectedOriginally Posted by CCFCC3PO
I read that one of the key reasons behind the rapid spread in Italy was that the social distancing and only allowing key workers to travel were introduced slowly. In the north especially parents were still required to go to work but the schools had closed. The upshot was that the kids were looked after by the grandparents hence the explosion in contagious cases and ultimate deaths particularly amongst the older age groups.
Italy had the bad luck of being the first country hit by this disease and were essentially caught on the hop, all other countries had a couple of weeks to see how it panned out there. Sadly most countries waited too long before taking the extreme measures (USA being an unbelievably bad example) and its going to cost of potentially millions of lives.
Football and ice-hockey games are still being played in Belarus and in front of crowds.
400 deaths reported today (UK)
Have you ever been to Belarus? I watch the odd Travel Blog on Youtube, i think there's one called Bald & Bankrupt, he went to Belarus and got on the piss with some Babushkas, drinking their home brew. Very informative!
No Idea!!!! but eldest population in Europe a contributory factor?
we have web site after web site giving us a breakdown of deaths, and i would guess that some exist but context of the deaths
(age & pre conditions etc.) would give a maybe better insight, the hip managers i come across in my industry would be barking orders give me a root cause analysis, I tweeted talk radio this morning as they had a doctor on and was surprised that my question was put to the doctor, it was regarding the immune system, the answer given by the doc was a good result for me personally and anyone who's immune system has suffered to an attack on it in the past.
Read about Sweden today, seems crazy. I fear the worst for India and parts of Africa.
The Italians tend to be tactile and make a big thing of meal times i.e. loads of visitors whereas we tend to get home from work, have a beer in front the TV and go to bed.
India, with their overcrowded cities and poor hygiene practices seems the perfect cocktail for it to really take a grip there.
Mind you, I saw videos today of the Indian police beating the crap out of anyone in public not wearing a mask. Many of them were being dragged off their motorbikes for wearing handkerchiefs around their face and not suitable masks.
Some of Italy is lovely, but a lot of it is a shithole, I think it's because so many of them live in flats, so they are all on top of each other and the communal areas have been breeding grounds early on so it spread much quicker.
Where else is there problems, London, Madrid, New York everywhere has lots of flats and are densely populated.
Also as above the people are all over each other and they do have lots of oldies and multi-generation living in the same households.
My theory no proof:
We may manage flu like viruses better via our DNA.
We have less elderly.
Quality of life for elderly better in UK than in rural parts of Italy and Spain.
Better health services.
More disposable income to support a varied diet
Better public health than the outer rural areas of Spain and Italy.
Its vastness of land , may hinder health care reach
It is interesting that the UK and Germany are coping better I would hazard a guess if has better benefits than a number of European countries .
These are just thoughts, probably wrong .
Gosh and we hate Boris and his ruling party 🤔
Yes. Last year I visited Moldova, Ukraine and Belarus - and which meant that I have visited every country in Europe.
Belarus (aka White Russia) is meant to a very repressive state but the capital, Minsk, is clean, sophisticated and stylish (unlike the Couchsurfing host who was meant to accommodate me for the first night of my stay).
So, so wrong.
Think I read Italy is second only to Japan with its very high aged population.
This is a Sky News video about rising social tensions in southern Italy.
It only doesn’t look as bad here yet because we haven’t ramped up testing. Thanks to the dithering by Boris and his useless puppet of a scientific advisor Sir Patrick Herd Immunity Valance the UK will probably end up worse than both.
It took a premier league football manager to contract the virus before this country started taking it serious ffs.
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