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Amazing how low ones comments and language can dip in these sad times ,suppose it helps to elevate the cabin fever .
Tories were warned to get their arse in gear and have fecked up big time
Once this is all over there will be a public enquiry into the government's response to the pandemic and it's going to show them up for the utter clowns they are
Boris and his mob are toast
Hes an eton posh boy clown , no idea at all , together with gove and Hancock, line em up , knock em doneOriginally Posted by Louth
Not making a political point because I think they were wrong to not get involved in the European Procurement plan.
But from what I have read the EU didn't go out to tender until March 25th and until a couple of days ago the order had not yet been signed.
So I would guess that the EU ventilators may be a couple of weeks away at least. By which time some more of the ventilators being made here may have been delivered.
According to todays press conference I thought Gove said that they will start turning out 1,000 CPAP machines next week ( one of these helped save my wife's life in 2018 when the intensive care doctors at UHW wouldn't put my wife on a ventilator - they made these choices then as well not just because of the virus as they are reportedly doing now). These will probably save lives as well.
Presumably any PPE ordered will be quicker but who knows.
An article on the RTE web site dated 31 March says that there are currently 1,229 ventilators in the country with 300 on their way and 600 on order. There are no timescales given
Just type "RTE ventilators" on google.
If you can't find it I will try to find time to put up a link.
Not quite what you said. Where did you get your info from?
And half the ventilators in the world are apparently made in Ireland. Our ventilator industry is (or was!) tiny in comparison
I disagree with those who think the Labour Party would do any better. Let's face it, if the Labour Party were in power and doing exactly the same as the Tories, some would think they were doing an excellent job. The reality is that Labour couldn't organise a proverbial booze up in a brewery. They ran a shambolical election campaign and couldn't get to grips with anti semitism to name but two. And what did they do yesterday? They elected a leader who was to blame for their bizarre BREXIT strategy at the election which was one of the reasons they performed so badly just a few months ago. You really couldn't make it up. Yet some think they would be able to organise a response to this pandemic? Give me a break. Imagine labour building a 4000 bed hospital in 9 days or constructing a new diagnostic industry in a similar timescale? Labour would still be arguing with their friends in the NEC and the Unions about where and when such facilities would be provided.
Back to ventilators. We already have have 2000 more than we need with another 10000 on order with 2000 to be delivered this week according to the Guardian Where's the shortage? Too many armchair experts on here.
Of course there are difficulties at present and not everything is perfect but all things considered they are not doing as bad a job as many on here think.
I see, the vast majority of the electorate aren't as clever as you.
who'd have thunk it.
Labour's policies were left wing, NQAT. Generally the UK is centre right. The most successful Labour government was centre left. Surely that tells you all you need to know, the uK does not want left wing politics.
if it was either a ventilator with a minor fault or no ventilator at all, I think most would choose the former.
These are unprecedented times, no one could have foresaw this.
Those looking to make political points at this time are beyond the pale. We'd be in this position whether we had the Tories for the past 10 years or Labour. The brainwashed are those who believe their own ideology would save the world.
One of the issues is that the true number of deaths (and hence people infected) is under reclorded.
This article sets it out clearly: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-toll-is-wrong
hoist by your own petard.
if you don't know that Commy Corbyn refers to him pushing the ideals of the former Eastern Bloc, rather than being a theroetical communist, then perhaps you should leave the political discussion.
And in case you're wondering, the west referred to the socialist states as communist, as those states were controlled in the main by parties that identified as communist (which in itself is ironic), the SED of East Germany being the exception.
decisions decisisons.
do we listen to someone like RJK who works in the industry and has vast experience of the process, or someone like Eric the half a bee who has a political axe to grind?
SED
ideals = strength through unity
maybe we should bring back the Stasi as well.
You said about 6 updates ago this
"Those looking to make political points at this time are beyond the pale"
Brilliant
It isn't about saving the world, it is about being prepared. Just like somebody living paycheck to paycheck has no capability to save for a rainy day, the NHS isn't funded to a level where it can adequately prepare for a situation like this.
How come Corbyn turned a massive deficit in the polls in 2017 into a hung parliament, based on left wing policies?
And how come Labour suffered a monumental defeat in 2019?
Johnson and his mob have well and truly ****ed this up , they have slashed the nhs , ignored warnings months ago and now want us to go out and clap the nhs once a week , most of whom hate the conservatives
Still they got brexit done
As you have quoted me your post fails to answer the question. Perhaps you intended to quote someone else.
The most relentless prolonged hatchet job by the press that I can ever remember.
He has to take a large slice of the blame that he was never able to shake it off but to suggest it was his politics isn't right in my opinion.
99% of the people I met who had a strongly negative view of Corbyn couldn't have named any of his policies if they had tried
Are you referring to the "fully costed" manifesto to be thrown into chaos days after its launch when the shadow chancellor announced an additional £58bn for the WASPI women? While 99% of the circles you mix with had negative views about Corbyn, the same applied to my own circle except nearly all of them, or perhaps all, had a good understanding of his policies which I agree were good but completely unaffordable and unrealistic in the tenure of a government.
Just pointing g out political slogans dont mean much
No institution can prepare for a situation like this. Its unprecedented
Did he? I thought that was the SNP
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