left or centre left newspapers
The Daily Mirror
The Observer
The Guardian
The Morning Star
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The Daily Mirror
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The Morning Star
What shows it isn't a left v right issue is we were doing the same as Sweden 3 weeks ago.
I hope Sweden stop their herd immunity idea soon as I think they'll end up with a lot of people dying.
The observer is the guardian on sunday you daft plank
The morning star is not a mainstream newspaper
We have , on the left , the daily mirror
In the centre , the guardian/observer , same paper
On the right ? The Sun , The Daily Express, The Daily Nazi Mail , The Times , The Telegraph , The Daily Star
Of course the Observer and the Guardian are stable bedfellows. Why do you feel the need to make such obvious statements?
The point being is that the centre right and right have more press because the UK leans more towards the right.
And the Guardian and Observer are centre left.
People who are capable of independent thought can still be sold lies and propaganda. This has been proven by every vote we've ever had.
The tories are now the party being elected in many working class areas, do you think the tories are the best party to be in powerfor the working class of this country?
At this present time, I think the working class needs a government that promotes business and opportunity to succeed. Only with a strong economy can you have strong social justice.
Political parties differ on how to get there, and I think (Brexit aside), the Tories are probably the best bet for now
Yeah the party for business that tanked our economy to please some lunatic back benchers
Anyone using that excuse for voting for the tories now is an idiot imo. They've shown they don't give a **** about business they only give a **** about lining their pockets.
That's why they're backed by the likes of Crispin Oden and Marshall Wace. And why members like Rhys Mogg are already being investigated for profiting off misery again.
Party for business my arse, anyone who votes for them is complicit. They don't care if their "business" helps the working class, they only care about "business" that lines the coffers.
I agree vis a vis Brext, I don't think it is going to be good at all. However what the Tories did provide in the last election was certainty - the voters knew exactly what they were voting for. Whilst I didn't disagree with Labour's approach to put any deal to the people to vote on, their message wasn't readily understood.
However, whatever your thoughts on Brexit, the Tories are still way ahead of Labour in creating economic wealth. The art is to ensure that the wealth is distributed much more equally. You never know, the current situation may go some way in making the general public wake up and appreciate what society needs is strong business, but also strong social justice.
I didn't ask the question, you did, and where have I said it was a left/right issue? Why are you unable to stop yourself from dividing this issue along political lines?
South Korea and Germany appear on the face of it to have managed this significantly better than we have. South Korea made decisions quickly and Germany appear to have immense spare capacity in their health service.
Sweden are following something pretty close to our original plan ironically.
stick your had in the sand all you like but many posters in this thread, before I entered the fray, were making the UK lack's of preparedness a political issue.
Germany has a much better healthcare system that the UK. That's because the Germans use a mix of private and public healthcare provision - almost all service delivery is by the private sector with funding either from the state or your private insurance. We could learn so much from the Germans on healthcare delivery, but too many are myopic and prefer political dogma over practicality and results.
with all due respect, we've just seen a Tory Chancellor give away huge amounts of free cash to the employed and self-employed, limiting it to those who earn the least. Likewise, small businesses have been given grant income, whereas larger businesses have not.
if you're going to be blinkered that is fine, but try not to make out the Tories aren't helping the little guy through this crisis because that would just not be true.
I think their response to this has been good in terms of looking after workers, but a shame it was about a month later than it should have been and a shame they've run our health system into the ground.
I'm not going to look past a whole history of evidence after a month of panicking.
but the NHS hasn't been run into the ground. That's dogma. If you're ill you will be seen, if you have an accident you will be taken care of. If you want a German style healthcare system where everyone has their own bed, their own room, waiting lists are unheard of and they have the newest equipment and hospitals, then two things need to happen. Firstly, we need more investment in UK healthcare and secondly, we need the state to remove itself from running healthcare, and leave it to the healthcare professionals.
This post is political dogma in itself.
The only time the private sector is better for the customer than the public sector is when there is genuine market competition. That is never going to be the case for the cast majority of health care provision.
The German system is pretty good, but it has been funded better than our system for as long as records began. If we matched their funding for a decaslde or more I think our system would be better. As it is, even with a significant funding disparity the NHS is on a par with Germany in a number of measures. Life expectancy etc
we've had this discussion before so in the interests of brevity I won't go over it again, save to say its more than just life expectancy that is a desirable outcome. its quality of life from cradle to grave, and the German (and French) system is better than ours. They have genuine market competition, we could do but as you've seen in this thread, dogma is preferred over outcomes.
Brevity be facked.
You think you're intellectual because you throw words into a sentence