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It’s definitely going to get messy in the next year. If it is proven to come from a Chinese lab then the future won’t look good for China. Them holding back on its origins, if true, isn’t a good look.Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
One thing I’m totally clueless about is SARS and mers, didn’t even register them at the time, similar corona virus I believe but how come they didn’t become a pandemic? Was it SARS that was spreading as far away as in Toronto?
One big difference is that SARS had major symptoms that started quickly. The vast majority get very ill so fast that it wouldn't spread. Whereas you can have Covid-19 without knowing it, so can go about your daily life and unknowingly infect others (hence the super spreaders).
At the moment, the question was the virus man made boils down to agenda driven alt right speculation v qualified people who know what they're talking about - I wonder who I should trust?
https://www.newscientist.com/term/coronavirus-come-lab/
https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/...-not-man-made/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...1.2020.1733440
And people call the lefties hysterical and paranoid
All cleared up then China have declared war on the West by releasing viral warfare via Wuhan. All cleared up, let’s all move on.
Comment in today’s Telegraph that of all the wet markets in the world the virus happened to start from one that had a biological laboratory on its doorstep
This story has been going round since about January. You're at least four months behind Organ Morgan!
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/23/212264...onavirus-china
"Since there’s no robust evidence in support of the lab-leak theory, Daszak says he’s worried that it could become a conspiratorial distraction with serious consequences.
“There is a group of people who do not want to believe that this is a natural, unfortunate incident,” he said. “And the real bad part of that is that if we don’t believe that we won’t try and stop other viruses in wildlife. Instead, we will focus on labs and close them down when they’re the ones trying to develop vaccines to cure us right now. I mean, how ironic could we go?”"
A bit like all the top secret labs in the World yet the novichok poisoning was not far from Porton Down, Britain's top secret biological and chemical warfare site.
I think most sane people have been saying this since late March.“You’ve got an enormous disparity. I don’t believe the reason is any other than the actions taken by the government very early on,” says King. Ministers’ focus on other issues meant they failed to act in February and March, he says.
This view is shared by infectious disease and public health experts. “We have been playing catch-up from the start,” says Helen Ward at Imperial College London. She cites slowness on testing, tracing and isolating people, and on social distancing. A national lockdown wasn’t imposed until 23 March, about two months after the country’s first confirmed case.
The word zeitgeist - no doubt you're aware of the meaning - springs to mind.
Cui bono?
I'd also add agenda driven far left Antifa supporting anti-Trump liberals to your list just for completeness
Hence why I said at the moment.
You stick with your "feelings" and I'll stick to what mine, backed up by expert knowledge (which I don't see on the other side of the argument), are telling me.
What list?Cui bono?
I'd also add agenda driven far left Antifa supporting anti-Trump liberals to your list just for completeness
The agenda driven alt right speculators and the qualified people.
We built 5 hospitals for 5000 + which only handled a couple of hundred which expert knowledge said we would need. They talk about a second wave but there's no scientific evidence there will be one, etc, etc. But you're right to a degree, it is to a degree, political. S.A.G.E. is a collection of left-leaning figures who have at every opportunity tried to hold back the Country returning to normal, save lives of Cancer patients etc, peoples' well-being, the jobs of the working class, - actions of those who believe 100% in the State, and the other side the pragmatists and realists who are at heart libertarians.
Er, I think I put them as two lists of one
Didn't you get a lot of replies about the scientific basis for a second wave in response to your last post that there's no scientific basis for a second wave?
Although I count getting those 5 hospitals built as a rare Government success story in their response to the virus, I do wonder about the contradiction which, on the one hand, has the Chief Scientific adviser saying that 20,000 deaths would be a good outcome and on the other having twice as many (according to official figures that, by almost universal agreement, represent perhaps are as little as 66% of the real figure) die and yet the existing intensive care capacity was able to cope when the numbers being admitted to hospital, and dying, were at their highest.
I'm not sure there is much evidence to back up your contention that SAGE is "a collection of left leaning figures" - I note there is an alternative SAGE committee which strikes me as fitting that description though.
In any case, the three links I posted were from a British magazine, an Asian magazine and an American university - as far as I'm aware, they were all written by people with no connection to SAGE.
Fair enough, we'll disagree. Anyway I'm sceptical - of most things, and unlike today's society I don't worship at the altar of the scientists. Until the Age of Enlightenment if the Church said something you would accept it without question. In an increasingly secular world we've found a new source to bow down to and accept their 'wisdom' without question or debate. If the prevailing scientists say something, it must be right - because they're the experts..
It's mad how people made their mind up at the start of March and won't change it inspite of all the evidence.
If you don't believe politicians, you don't believe the church and you don't believe scientists/experts - who is left? The media? I can't see it.
There are lots of fingers in the pieEr, I think I put them as two lists of one
The truth is in there somewhere if you know where to look.
His gut?
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