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Don’t believe a thing that comes out of ChinaOriginally Posted by MOZZER2
All we have to worry about from China now is their latest outbreak of Bubonic Plague. That would make this look like child's play if it broke out seriously.
It'swhen it become pneumonic that it really kicks off. Hence the nursery rhyme 'Ring a ring a rosies'
OK, in the unlikely scenario that people are reading xsnaggle's post and taking it seriously and, maybe, even taking it so seriously they have a sense of panic or fear, here are the facts to add a sense of perspective.
There have been 31 reported cases of Bubonic Plague in the country of China between 2009 and 2019. An average of 3 a year in a country that has, roughly, about 1/7th of the world's population.
There has been a reported case in Inner Mongolia. The affected village has been sealed off.
In the US, there has been an average of 7 plague cases between 1970-2018 (range of 1-17), 80% in bubonic form.
Hence the nursery rhyme "Hush little baby"
Given that few believe that the original numbers for this virus reported by China were actually correct, why should anyone believe their reported numbers on the plague?
If the numbers are so small and insignificant why are they being so up front at all, unless its to prepare the ground for the reality later?
So, because "few people" believe the covid figures reported in China, you make the illogical conclusion that these figures are also false without determining that the covid-19 figures are false.Given that few believe that the original numbers for this virus reported by China were actually correct, why should anyone believe their reported numbers on the plague?
If the numbers are so small and insignificant why are they being so up front at all, unless its to prepare the ground for the reality later?
China have been reporting cases of the bubonic plague since 2009, at an average of 3 a year.
At which stage do we stop believing their figures? 2009? 2012? 2019? If it is 2009, then, using your logic "If the numbers are so small and insignificant why are they being so up front at all, unless its to prepare the ground for the reality later?
If it is 2019, then why have they been reporting cases since 2009?
Sorry, but there isn't a lot of sense in your argument.
(Too many Brits take too little personal responsibility for their health, junk food is everywhere and the state does not help those most in need. Two thirds of those who have died from Covid in the UK were already living with disability, and 80% had one or more pre-existing illnesse)
The above is is so true, balanced with fact we are very ill disciplined and selfish when it comes to others, our eating and drinking is excessive, proven by our poor diabetics and obesity statistics , no wonder the virus has had a field day in the UK , the USA is the same , overweight ,poor lazy eaters ,lack of fitness and personal health standards .
I don't give a toss what you think. I was merely pointing out that they are now telling the world. The fact they are bothering to report it if the cases are genuinely so low is the worrying thingSo, because "few people" believe the covid figures reported in China, you make the illogical conclusion that these figures are also false without determining that the covid-19 figures are false.
China have been reporting cases of the bubonic plague since 2009, at an average of 3 a year.
At which stage do we stop believing their figures? 2009? 2012? 2019? If it is 2009, then, using your logic "If the numbers are so small and insignificant why are they being so up front at all, unless its to prepare the ground for the reality later?
If it is 2019, then why have they been reporting cases since 2009?
Sorry, but there isn't a lot of sense in your argument.
And still they have a lead in the polls, what's wrong with people?
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/s...87845157486593
Ah yes, David Schneider the comedy actor. Just looked at some of his comments and he too is totally obsessed with finding anything and everything to whack the Government.
Looks a little bit like you're shooting the messenger.
But I thought
We may manage flu like viruses better via our DNA.
We have less elderly.
Quality of life for elderly better in UK than in rural parts of Italy and Spain.
Better health services.
More disposable income to support a varied diet
Better public health than the outer rural areas of Spain and Italy.
Its vastness of land , may hinder health care reach
No-one can accuse you of not being balanced on this one!
Exactly;-
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/john-penrose
And another one;-
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...wsApp_AppShare
Obviously people aren't as intelligent as you
Bob.
Either that or they remember the mess that was the Labour Party just a few short months ago.
My dislike of Jeremy Corbyn is I think well known on this board but perhaps the only times I felt the faintest thing of sympathy towards him was with some of the more outlandish media stories on him (not all stories,sometimes he deserved what he got) and when he would make some comment in the morning to find himself stabbed in the back by one of his shadow cabinet in the afternoon.
One of the worst culprits was his Brexit Shadow minister.
One Sir Keir Starmer.
I don't trust the man but perhaps that will change in time
Don't get me wrong I think the Governnent has got many things wrong recently, and I have never thought that Boris Johnson was the ideal choice as Prime Minister.
But politics by twitter quote leaves me cold, especially when it is by some C grade celebrity on either side of the arguement who wouldn't see good in the other side if hell froze over.
Incidentally I'm not desperately impressed with Dido Harding and her new post either but I don't need David Schneider to tell me that!
Well at least one Tory is willing to say why they still favour them and it seems to be the usual "yeah, but what about Labour?" stuff. I did not mention any other party, I'm just bemused as to what it will take for people who, on the one hand, seem almost embarrassed to admit they are Tories to start to question their allegiance!
Did you know that besides being involved with an organisation that was advocating the abolition of Public Health England, Dido Harding's husband was the Government's anti corruption "Champion"? I didn't, so whether it be politics by Twitter quote or not, David Schneider was passing on something that was relevant and informative, but, like lardy, it seems that it is who is revealing that information that is most important to those who defend this Government, not what he revealed.
Maybe when Sir Keir sacks Corbyn , the polls may change in his favour, at the moment they are certainly closing , however once this Covid mess and its hellish consequences settles, the real political battle ,poll results and popularity begins .
The video has an element of bias in its tone, but it is completely factual. In fact, when you lay out the facts, it is difficult not to sound anti-Government or biased.
Almost completely factual. It blames Bojo for the Stereophonics concert on 14 March, which of course was Mark Drakeford's decision
There's been nearly four months since that video was released as well, this list of Government U turns contains a few things that have happened since late April.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/the-n...oken-promises/
Government apologists have been keen to bring the Labour party into the conversation presumably because they cannot think of anything positive to say about Johnson and co, but just imagine what they would be saying about such a roll of shame if it had been a Labour Government, or any other party besides the Conservatives, elected in December with a record like that?
Politically, I have never voted for one singular party. It very often changes. However, there is one mainstream party I have never been able to vote for, and that is the Conservative Party. That is purely because they have never struck me as a party that cares for people who fall on hard times, and I have always said that hard times are only a bad day away for most people. I find the concept of voting for one party all through a lifetime a bit strange because parties evolve. The Labour Party that my granddad voted for in 1997 was not the same beast as the one he voted for in 1983.
So, it is sad to see that "staunch Tory voters" are reduced to saying nonsense like "imagine how much worse it would have been if Corbyn had got in?". It's a useful line because it is purely hypothetical, and in the hypothesis it is assumed that Corbyn would have made a mess of it. It's difficult to argue against without hypothesising yourself.
lisvaneblue, who seems to be very anti-Drakeford and not very anti-Johnson (despite the Welsh handling of the crisis post lockdown being much better than the English), has replied to the video by pointing out one inaccuracy and has completely ignored the roll of shame.
I defended the Government when locking down, I still think it was the right thing to do and it very likely saved a lot of lives and saved the NHS. However, during the lockdown huge mistakes were made, not least the decision to release hospital patients into the care system. In time, that will be seen as the most idiotic decision made by a British Government in decades. The decision to rush out of lockdown (in light of removing the spotlight from Cummings and onto good news) will also be seen to be negligent in time. Labour, and Blair, may be accused of introducing "spin" into politics (although Thatcher had a very good spin team) - but Johnson spins us out of the stratosphere. Diverging from the science to divert attention from Cummings was obvious to anyone with half an ounce of sense, as is the increase in anti-migration rhetoric whenever his Government has a bad day.
As for bad days, well the BTEC results were held back today affecting 450,000 young kids. We had the A level fiasco last week affecting thousands of kids. Did we have any statement from Johnson, or is his holiday still of paramount importance?
im not very anti-Drakeford, just pointing out that it was not factually accurate. Like you I am 'not died in the wool' attached to any particular party as TOBW is. Last time around I voted Boris in for no other reason than to get Brexit done. If an election was held tomorrow Starmer would probably get my vote.
As for the current situation under Boris, it's shambolic. Everyday we seem to be exposed to another mess and no end in sight. He is a delegator but his team is young and inexperienced and it shows. Sad thing is it doesn't seem to be getting any better
The bumbling beanbag is a “delegator...” You’re giving the colossal fuuckwit far too much credit.
By the way, he picked or chose his team and filled it with people who blow smoke up his arse and who are as competent as he is.
Best description I can give them is a gaggle of fuuckwits.
I'm actually coming round to think Drakeford hasn't done too bad - certainly wouldn't call him a fuuuckwit..The bumbling beanbag is a “delegator...” You’re giving the colossal fuuckwit far too much credit.
By the way, he picked or chose his team and filled it with people who blow smoke up his arse and who are as competent as he is.
Best description I can give them is a gaggle of fuuckwits.
to be fair, drakeford has an easy win as he's ever likely to get at the moment.
all he has to do is be 10% better than those currently running England and he comes out with a lot of credit.
and those running England are making a right mess.of things.
It is completely shambolic; he was caught in no-man's-land between saving people, retaining freedoms, and not trashing the economy. I have sympathy for him, I know I'd be completely incapable of managing the situation and would have run a mile. Maybe he should have done so too.
My view of him is that he is incapable of taking responsibility for past failings, there is nothing wrong in holding up hands and saying "sorry, we have got it wrong". The Cummings episode was the thread that led most of the previous hard work to unravel.
Allowing people to travel to Europe to holiday while, at the same time, stopping people from visiting relatives at home? Opening pubs before opening schools? No briefings giving people the impression this is "all over" (I have heard someone actually say this in Sainsburys), a necessary furlough scheme that has seen people refuse to go to work (neighbours are my anecdotal evidence), kids out in the street during April clamouring around an ice-cream van who was getting paid by the tax-payer precisely not to do that?
The lockdown was necessary, the speed at which England came out of it was not. We are still breaching the 1,000 cases limit on an almost daily basis, yes there is more testing meaning that we are recording more minor cases than previously but the 1,000 cases limit is based on those parameters.
It is shambolic. There doesn't seem to be any strategy, and the scientists seem to have become nodding dogs with more political than scientific answers (during briefings it was interesting to see scientists look at Johnson whilst giving answers).
We hear of upcoming unemployment figures, the cliff-edge that is the end of furlough but we still have the Brexit cliff-edge to come! I was never convinced that we were in a "strong bargaining position" when it came to the EU or anyone else worldwide, I am even less convinced now.
We are not hearing, though, of people on zero hour contracts. My partner works in a care home where some carers were placed on furlough on the last day of the scheme in June. When the burden of NI payments was passed back to the care home last month, they took the people off furlough. Guess what? Because they are on zero hour contracts, they haven't worked since meaning that the care home have jettisoned the NI burden and the wages.
Personally, I have taken a significant pay cut (supposedly my hours were cut) but my workload has meant I have continued working full time. I think there are probably many people experiencing the same thing, but nobody has mentioned this as a national problem yet - that we will have fewer people working, and those that are working will be on reduced wages or reduced hours.
I am not sure that I would vote for Starmer at this stage, although he impresses me the depth of "skill" in the labour party is particularly shallow, as it is in the Tory Party where incompetence caused by undying devotion to the leader seems to be a key requirement for getting to the cabinet. It is a terrible shame that most PMQs seem to retain attacks on party lines, although that tends to be more Johnson than Starmer with Johnson's answers insufficiently blaming Labour for "supporting going back to schools, but not supporting going back to schools" for example. Even though it is completely legitimate to support going back to schools, and to oppose the Government's plans for returning to schools.
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