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People keep quoting this, didn't get 50% of the vote mantra, but we all know that this is the way elections are and always have been decided in this country.
Yet every time labour, and in this case remainers, lose they trot it out like it's a shock, outrageous and shouldn't be allowed. They just cannot accept that they lost and move on.
And the longer they are in that mode the longer it will take to have an effectgive opposition in Parliament.
It really is time to give it a rest.
No you can't if you refuse to see it. But I think you'll find that largely, the seats in the labour 'red wall' that turned blue whould be found to be in areas where the referendum vote was predominantly to leave.
But of course Brext had ablsolutely nothing to do with the election result.
Hasn't it occurred to any remainers that if, as they assert, the referendum and the election result had nothing to do with each other then that means that Boris Joihnson gained his huge majority in spite of Btexit and not because of it. That thought is far more scary than brexit itself.
Who has claimed the referendum and election result had nothing to do with each other? They clearly did.
The Tories took votes from Labour mainly because Labour had an incoherent Brexit policy and the Tories had a very simple one which appealed to Brexit supporting previously Labour voters. Brexit was a major factor in the Tories getting an 80 seat majority.
But it is you who keeps using the 2019 election outcome to say that the electorate supported Brexit through their vote. Most didn't.
Most people who voted in 2019 supported parties that wanted to reverse Brexit (Lib Dems) or hold a second referendum on the emerging deal - with a probable recommendation to reject (the others). Most people wanted a second bite at the Brexit question. But it wasn't a Brexit referendum it was a general election - so the 'Get Brexit Done' Tories won the argument at the ballot box.
[QUOTE=lardy;5162822]That's why people bring it up; referendums and elections operate differently, so you can't conclude that people voted for Brexit in the General Election just because a pro-Brexit party ended up with more seats.[/QU
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Is it really that much of a false equivalence comparing those that believe That Trump had the election stolen and Remainers who for years denied the legitimacy of the Brexit Vote?
Ridiculous semantics. I could look at your post:
"Hasn't it occurred to any remainers that if, as they assert, the referendum and the election result had nothing to do with each other"
and suggest that when you say "any remainers/they" you're talking about ALL remainers.
But I won't because they're obviously figures of speech. Let's not sink to this.
I'm not saying the referendum was illegitimate here, but I would say that a major difference is that there were a lot of investigations, recounts and court cases regarding the US election in the space of a few weeks. The argument was simply that Biden hadn't had more votes. I don't think anyone* has said that the vote counting was wrong.
*fao xsnaggle, don't take 'anyone' completely literally. It may have been mentioned by some loon as far as I know.
Totally false equivalence.
No one has disputed the EU Referendum vote in the UK. Very few people have challenged its legitimacy.
A lot of people on both sides of the argument have claimed the other lot were dishonest with their claims.
A lot of people on the Remain side, whilst accepting the result, made the argument that the devil will be in the detail and the people should have an opportunity to decide if they like the detail that finally emerged.
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Its a difficult one as there are voices on both sides of the political and financial argument , some say there has been no real financial benefit of being in Europe since its conception ,some say its hugely regulated , slow moving , and that reduces freedoms outside of Europe , some say other markets like Asia are the new dawn .
Watching the Vaccine roll out one could say independent ( quicker ) decision making helped the UK in its moment of need .
UK may prosper , or fall , no one really knows , all we do know is were a big economy , and someone will want our money and our trade including our valuable service ,security and science /medicine knowledge industries and form partnership / trade deals , and joining the ( CPTPP ) Asia-Pacific free trade bloc ,realigning with Commonwealth countries will be a interesting move .
There is no doubt this is a big leap for teh UK fraught with issues on the way out of the door , it was never claimed to be easy, it was though a democratic decision through many elections and a a ground breaking high turn out referendum .