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I was at Niagara Falls a few days ago (been in Canada a month) and in addition to all the official Canadian flags at half mast I was very surprised to see the American flags on the other side of the river also all at half mast.
Is that just a message of solidarity with their northern neighbours in their time of trauma and inconsolable grief, or some other idiocy?
I thought they had a revolution so they wouldn’t have to muck about with their flag poles when an hereditary monarch shuffled off?
Jon, I know you are a committed old lefty and I get and respect your position on it all, but surely you understand the basic concept of respect and you recognise the global role of the royal family and the fact that Britain's head of state recently passed?
Can you not just recognise it as a form of respect? Surely not everything has to be ideologically aligned to your own outlook for you to do so?
I notice as has another poster that he wasn't getting down with the locals in North Grangetown or Trowbridge but being shown round Llandaff
The King , has actually done a lot of work in Wales with the Princes Trust and he was well received down the docks a few years back.
https://www.princes-trust.org.uk/abo...cardiff-centre
Honestly, I don't know about the folks up in northern NY. In AZ most people are unaware of the events. Despite what Tory apologists might tell you, Elizabeth Windsor and her family is something of a soap opera in the US not a set of revered global icons.
I had to laugh when the NFL season opened with the Rams v Bills game and they asked for a moment of quiet contemplation at SoFi Stadium. Most people just carried on chatting/doing what they were. This ended after 15-20 seconds with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson was given the mic to ramp up the atmosphere (for the game). To say it wasn't very reverential would be an understatement.
He hasn't done a lot of work personally. The Trust and its employees do the work. It's also a tad embarrassing when you read just how much funding comes from the European Union and from the carrier bags full of dosh handed to His Majesty King Charles III by an ex Qatar Prime Minister. The three lots of CASH, which totalled €3m, were handed to the prince personally between 2011 and 2015. It claims that on one occasion, Sheikh Hamad, 62, presented the prince with €1m reportedly stuffed into carrier bags from Fortnum & Mason, the luxury food store that has a royal charter to provide the Royal Family with groceries.
https://news.sky.com/story/prince-ch...times-12640561
What's interesting about this though is the part that says 'The cash payments were deposited into the accounts of the Prince of Wales's Charitable Fund (PWCF), an entity that bankrolls the prince's private projects and his country estate in Scotland'
Anyway, there's no denying that the Princes Trust, as a business (which happens to have charitable status) does a lot of splendid things for people. But so do lots of other businesses with charitable status, quite often without the benefit of the carrier bags of cash, help from the European Union (remember, we shot ourselves in the face over that) and the weight of a Royal's title heading up the whole PR department.
Here's the really embarrassing stuff though on the Princes Trust website highlighting the European Structural and Investment Funds role. Just look at all those European Flags next to the projects.
https://www.princes-trust.org.uk/sup...vestment-funds
Please don't take any of this personally. I'm just trying to present a balanced view. There's nothing ideological or disrespectful. I'm just a concerned subject of the crown who lost his European citizenship.
Ah…. OK. So it’s just ‘a basic concept of respect’ for USA officials to fly their flag at half mast for a week or longer when a foreign head of state dies?
I hope you are consistent on this and support a bit of union flag lowering in similar circumstances? Maybe just stick to a ‘basic concept of respect’ if the significant death is on the other side of the Channel or Irish Sea? So stick to gestures directed at Ireland, France and Belgium?
Thanks for the advice and guidance on this delicate matter of ceremonial propriety. Cheers!
This country needs to get rid of the monarchy and we need a moderate , liberal minded government
I am afraid there are far too many idiots who have the vote to enable that to happen
I have found the fawning over the royals this last week absolutely nauseating . How adults with no connection to her maj and their gang cry at the drop of a hat when interviewed on tv is beyond .
It's almost like .......its fake
All those extra clicks add up you know?! I kinda find it a pain in the arse because I miss the vibe on the main board but it is a first world problem and I accept it's nothing if it keeps the peace. Anyway, it doesn't matter where I start threads, they're always so niche they're tumbleweed. Football card collecting and motorsport. Not a sniff. If I didn't have such a massive ego I'd take it personally and feel crushed...........even LOM sh*t joke thread got more attention....
The Americans are flag shaggers. they've even got official protocol for flying flags at half staff, I wouldn't read into it as admiration for the queen herself. It's done as a mark of respect to the head of state of an allied nation, the gesture is to the held title not the person, if HRH Fred West had just died the same gesture would have been applied.