Wales considering renaming as Cymru

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I accept that you are concerned that people in Wales might call the country by its own proper name in its own language.

How long have you been speaking Welsh as a living language ?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

There is no proper name. If you go down that route, you have to start thinking in terms of a proper accent, being more *insert national identity* than the next person. It's already happening in this thread. You're doing it. I'm not having a go at you and I don't think it's malicious and I don't want to fall out with anyone....but this is where this stuff always goes and I'm sick of it tbh. F*ck anthems, flags and the like. It's not for me.

No I'm not. Wales official name in our own language is Cymru. Sorry you hate that.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

How long have you been speaking Welsh as a living language ?

So Wales shouldn't be called Cymru?

[Citizen's Nephew]

No I'm not. Wales official name in our own language is Cymru. Sorry you hate that.

I don't hate it Eric. You're missing the point but I'll leave it there.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I don't hate it Eric. You're missing the point but I'll leave it there.

If you don't hate it, I don't see the problem.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Its part of the (imho) aggressive push of the language which is absolutely tied to Welsh nationalism.

Yes Cymru are promoted in the welsh press and media as being a growing movement regarding Welsh independence

I think it's a con trick

If Wales was hurtling towards independence why do Plaid Cymru have less backing than the dreaded tories and why are marches of a few thousand people in Cardiff reported as significant ?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

There is no proper name. If you go down that route, you have to start thinking in terms of a proper accent, being more *insert national identity* than the next person. It's already happening in this thread. You're doing it. I'm not having a go at you and I don't think it's malicious and I don't want to fall out with anyone....but this is where this stuff always goes and I'm sick of it tbh. F*ck anthems, flags and the like. It's not for me.

It's only a proposition regarding changing the nomenclature of the country to something more germane than the word 'foreigner', old fruit.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

If you don't hate it, I don't see the problem.

You can object to something without hating it

I object to motor racing , darts and snooker on the TV and it bores me but I don't hate it

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Yes Cymru are promoted in the welsh press and media as being a growing movement regarding Welsh independence

I think it's a con trick

If Wales was hurtling towards independence why do Plaid Cymru have less backing than the dreaded tories and why are marches of a few thousand people in Cardiff reported as significant ?

In fairness, you see South Wales as an extended part of the SW of England and have said so several times.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So Wales shouldn't be called Cymru?

The question I have asked you is how long have you been speaking Welsh?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

In fairness, you see South Wales as an extended part of the SW of England and have said so several times.

Well the history of South East Wales since industrialisation is closer to Bristol and Gloucester than it is the rolling hills of dyfed

Or are you saying that's incorrect ?

Bristol , Somerset etc is a mixture of urban , semi urban and rural communities and is densely populated and cosmopolitan

Just like South East Wales

And very much unlike the rest of Wales

Non ?

[Citizen's Nephew]

It's only a proposition regarding changing the nomenclature of the country to something more germane than the word 'foreigner', old fruit.

I think that's a quaint but naive view tbh and I respect your interest in language/s. I have other concerns which I've outlined.

Language changes. You know this. They're all made-up words and looking backwards to a 'Golden Age' is where a lot of nationalistic problems start happening and that stuff gets exploited.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I think that's a quaint but naive view tbh and I respect your interest in language/s. I have other concerns which I've outlined.

Language changes. You know this. They're all made-up words and looking backwards to a 'Golden Age' is where a lot of nationalistic problems start happening and that stuff gets exploited.

Quaint and naive. That's me

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The question I have asked you is how long have you been speaking Welsh?

Ask away. It's utterly irrelevant.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Well the history of South East Wales since industrialisation is closer to Bristol and Gloucester than it is the rolling hills of dyfed

Or are you saying that's incorrect ?

Bristol , Somerset etc is a mixture of urban , semi urban and rural communities and is densely populated and cosmopolitan

Just like South East Wales

And very much unlike the rest of Wales

Non ?

Up to you, but it explains why you see yourself as barely Welsh.

[goats]

On Monday I had the pleasure of being a part of the opening ceremony of the World Kickboxing Championship at Cardiff Castle. I spoke for a short while to a Canadian lady, who was delighted to hear the choir I was with singing Yma O Hyd in Welsh. She had stayed in Cardiff over the weekend and was disappointed not to have heard any Welsh at all as she moved around the city.

In short, she said we should be so proud as a country to have our own language. We should be proud of something that is a big part of our identity as a country and we need to do everything we can to protect, promote and use it. To hear that from someone who lives that far away was quite something.

Think welsh is the 4th most used language in cardiff isn’t it? I barely know anyone who speaks it, those who do all went to glantaff or a few who moved down from the north.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Think welsh is the 4th most used language in cardiff isn’t it? I barely know anyone who speaks it, those who do all went to glantaff or a few who moved down from the north.

And?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Ask away. It's utterly irrelevant.

Well that may be determined later

Are you a lifelong Welsh speaker or an adult learner

Or what

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Well that may be determined later

Are you a lifelong Welsh speaker or an adult learner

Or what

Determine it now.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Up to you, but it explains why you see yourself as barely Welsh.

Well I don't see myself as barely Welsh

I was born here, went to school here and returned here after university and early work years

I spend my money here , I voted for the Welsh assembly , I go on holiday in Wales, I follow the football team that represents the capital city of this country and when Wales are playing football I don't support England or Iceland , I support Wales

This country has changed since 1800 and these days the area we live in has more in common with North Somerset, Tyneside , West Yorkshire etc

That means people from all over the place live here and not everybody is Welsh or speaks Welsh

In fact most of us don't. I know the language was trampled on but thankfully it's strong .

However much you want the country to be like you want it to be with its own parliament and its own tax raising powers and its independence the majority of people want and support a strong language but want to be in the same sort of legal and financial system as people in Somerset, Yorkshire and Cornwall .

I think you are a nationalist and the reason why you grab hold of luckies like the FAW is that it brings you closer to what you want .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Determine it now.

I think you are a Welsh learner

[Citizen's Nephew]

Quaint and naive. That's me

....much better than being a cynical Mr Angry Citizen like me!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I think you are a Welsh learner

Perhaps you will explain the point to this.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Well I don't see myself as barely Welsh

I was born here, went to school here and returned here after university and early work years

I spend my money here , I voted for the Welsh assembly , I go on holiday in Wales, I follow the football team that represents the capital city of this country and when Wales are playing football I don't support England or Iceland , I support Wales

This country has changed since 1800 and these days the area we live in has more in common with North Somerset, Tyneside , West Yorkshire etc

That means people from all over the place live here and not everybody is Welsh or speaks Welsh

In fact most of us don't. I know the language was trampled on but thankfully it's strong .

However much you want the country to be like you want it to be with its own parliament and its own tax raising powers and its independence the majority of people want and support a strong language but want to be in the same sort of legal and financial system as people in Somerset, Yorkshire and Cornwall .

I think you are a nationalist and the reason why you grab hold of luckies like the FAW is that it brings you closer to what you want .

Congratulations for completely misrepresenting me on all counts and talking rubbish.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Congratulations for completely misrepresenting me on all counts and talking rubbish.

So you are not a nationalist ?

I find that incredibly hard not to believe