Anyone else happy with Tan?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I’m not sure I’d look at our playoff record like it’s a badge of honour….isn’t it won 3 ( when we won promotion to this league) lost 9 or something? I guess it shows some success moving forward but almost anything could after the previous 25 yrs….pre 2003

7 playoff campaigns, 1 win, 1 other final, 5 semi final failures. 1 win and 6 defeats at home is by far the worst home playoff record in the football league. In total we've won 5 playoff fixtures, drawn 2 and lost 9. Following our 1-0 win at Leicester, we had lost 6 out of 8 playoff games, 4 on the trot without scoring.

[Dorcus]

We have to get real. The club has so much debt nobody will buy it. It took Newcastle a few years to sell their club and they are a much better bet than us. The reality is that CCFC is unaffordable unless Tan is willing to accept a hefty loss which is unlikely. We may not be able to accept Tan's decisions but we cannot afford to live without him. Whatever people think he is an honourable man and could have walked away from the club before racking up millions of his own personal debt. He needs great credit for that in my book.

He'd get a lot more credit from me if he sold at a huge loss and walked. After all he can afford it and it would be the honourable thing to do. Whatever happened to hari kari after failure?

[Divine Wright]

I can’t say I’m as up to speed with all the goings on with the club as I used to be, but for me the problem seems to be Dalman and Choo and how the club is ran, rather then Tans ownership? Hasn’t he put a lot of money in?

I do realise that Tan should be doing more to move those two on and bring in some people who know what they’re doing but seeing TAN OUT banners makes me feel very uneasy.

I hated when we changed to red but he listened eventually and changed it back.
He’s developed part of the ground.
We’ve spent god knows how much on transfers and wages and managers over the years. Got promoted twice..

I actually quite like having Tan as an owner compared to what some fans of other clubs have been through.

Am I being a total melon here and missing something obvious?

I have been asking the same question every six months or so for the last four , five , six years ........but .....

Where are we on the debt to equity thing he promised ?

He's putting money in which is good but is it at all possible that a football club might break even these days ?

If we are running at a loss, doesn't that mean the club is poorly run ?

He has been here for a decade and the club is still making losses month upon month.

Other clubs develop youth, install a modern managerial setup , hire managers who are not steve bruce, mick mccarthy or neil warnock.

Other owners manage not to alienate fans.

We are in a worst state now on the field than when he came. The people put in charge of footballing decisions are not qualified. Financially, I IMAGINE we are better off than a decade ago but I haven't heard anything about our current debts etc for years.

I know a number of people who were season ticket holders for decades who not only don't go anymore but are also indifferent to bad or good results. I feel the same.

I don't know what the answer is. We need to get this fckin debt off our backs and we need people in charge that are not ignorant novices in order that we begin planting some seeds that by 2033 begin to blossom. If Tan is in charge in a decades time do you honestly think the club will be in a better place ? I don't know why anyone would think so.

He is a very bad owner in my opinion.

[Divine Wright]

We have to get real. The club has so much debt nobody will buy it. It took Newcastle a few years to sell their club and they are a much better bet than us. The reality is that CCFC is unaffordable unless Tan is willing to accept a hefty loss which is unlikely. We may not be able to accept Tan's decisions but we cannot afford to live without him. Whatever people think he is an honourable man and could have walked away from the club before racking up millions of his own personal debt. He needs great credit for that in my book.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-debt-10875878

Debt free in five years.

The article is from 2016.

Guess that means we are no longer in debt.

Fairplay to him for the 68 million....but where do we stand at the moment ? Or is this just hot air ?

[blue lewj]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-debt-10875878

We can't be debt free anytime soon, and certainly not in the sense of Tan converting debt to equity, as we've started taking loans from other companies now.
If the meal we've made of paying the first Sala instalment is anything to go by then I can't see us paying that company off for some time.

[dandywarhol]

Very happy.I went to Tanfantasic.I got a Tan and teeth whitening.I came out looking like one of the black and white minstrels.

[Divine Wright]

We can't be debt free anytime soon, and certainly not in the sense of Tan converting debt to equity, as we've started taking loans from other companies now.
If the meal we've made of paying the first Sala instalment is anything to go by then I can't see us paying that company off for some time.

His words. Not mine.

The Sala thing is their fckin mess as well. The people responsible for that debacle should pay it off and "The Club" should be safeguarded against the incompetence of the individuals involved.

[JamesWales]

Not happy with Tan. The rebrand remains a stain and demonstrates the general lack of understanding he has.

That said I can recognise what he has helped deliver (two promotions a new stand, fair ticket prices etc) but I'm not happy with him.

Moreover, what the hell does he get from this all? At his stage in life, in Malaysia. Owning Cardiff City is hardly a big pull is it?

[Divine Wright]

From Tan writing off 68 million, leaving us with 40 million in 2016 with the remainder to be paid off in yearly payments of 8 million withe club being debt free in 2021.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-debt-10875878

to this, the club having debts of 109 million.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-109m-23280557

You can factor in the pandemic but you can also factor in premier league money earned in 2018 and following parachute payments.

How does any of this make sense?

And we are making an 11 million pound loss every year ??

I genuinely think admin might be a blessing in disguise compared to this lame excuse for a club.

[blue lewj]

His words. Not mine.

The Sala thing is their fckin mess as well. The people responsible for that debacle should pay it off and "The Club" should be safeguarded against the incompetence of the individuals involved.

Oh I realise they are his words.

Words he can no longer deliver on any time soon either.

Couldn't agree more with how people conduct themselves and how it affects football clubs.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

If Vincent Tan was a really decent owner he would ......be a really decent owner

But he's not

He's made some really big mistakes but if he wasn't bank rolling the club who do you lot think would ?

If my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle

[Divine Wright]

If Vincent Tan was a really decent owner he would ......be a really decent owner

But he's not

He's made some really big mistakes but if he wasn't bank rolling the club who do you lot think would ?

If my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle

Stockholm syndrome.

[Sunnysideup]

If it wasn’t for Tan we could have gone into administration!!!!
He’s a businessman at the end of the day and all the millions he’s invested he’ll be wanting back
If he doesn’t invest in the club immediately by way of a decent manager and Striker then he’ll definitely be seeing his stock in the club severely reduced by way of relegation

[NYCBlue]

12 consecutive years in the Championship or above under his ownership, mostly competing at the top end. Plus all the charitable work he has done in the area, including setting up the Cardiff City foundation, raising millions of pounds in the process.

Swansea spent 7 of those years in the Premier League. And were managed by the likes of Brendan Rodgers, Steve Cooper and Graham Potter. Tan's tenure can't be as anything else but a failure.

[Sunnysideup]

Tan’s a self made millionaire that knows **** all about football but owns several football clubs
Money launderer 🧐

[life on mars]

Yes it been awful era under Tan no sucess, or enjoyment,just endlesss misery, no wonder so many CCMB contributors are suffering from anexiey issues , what with Tan , Trump and Boris its been a Dies irae ...............

On a brighter note I think he wants to sell and the buyers have told him they dont want certain laibailities ie wages persona as they feel it infaltes the purcahse price , or he is simply down sizing it for it become a better purchase for a prospective buyer ..

Like it not he is a sucessful busienss man , and we are not ,we may like to look at him as some silly shirt wearing malaysian loop ,he looks at us and probaly thinks why do they dislike me so ?? I have given a lot of my time and money to this project and the club , where no other WelsH or UK person has not shown any intrest .

lets be fair is anyone ever happy on this board,isnt its primary purpose to moan , rant and insult ?

[WJ99mobile]

It’s as if we expect a god given right to be good in picking players and managers.

Want to invest on the field, off the field and still reduce debt. Can’t win with football fans

[Carl Dale's Mole]

I've been happy with him right up until the Morison sacking. He put his money where his mouth is. I wasn't bothered by any of his "strange" shenanigans but when you sign a whole new team and finally get a striker, only to sack the manager right afterwards with no plan in place...it's just mind boggling. I didn't get it at all and I still don't. Feels more and more like a gambler who's down big but can't leave the casino so he just blows up the casino.

[blue lewj]

Tan’s a self made millionaire that knows **** all about football but owns several football clubs
Money launderer ��

Well we've got a loan that has a decent interest being charged to the club that isn't owed to Tan.

Does that firm care what state City are in as long as they can repay the loan? I wouldn't in their position as long as it was getting paid.

[WJ99mobile]

I've been happy with him right up until the Morison sacking. He put his money where his mouth is. I wasn't bothered by any of his "strange" shenanigans but when you sign a whole new team and finally get a striker, only to sack the manager right afterwards with no plan in place...it's just mind boggling. I didn't get it at all and I still don't. Feels more and more like a gambler who's down big but can't leave the casino so he just blows up the casino.

There's quite a few on here that thought that Morison was out of his depth and stats supported that. Problem is Hudson didn't fair much better, worse if anything.

[Des Parrot]

Can some take a stab at a guess as to why Tan is still interested in the club? It baffles me completely.

I’ll have a stab, having worked with / for and run Asian companies for the last 30 years.

In my opinion it’s cultural. The classic “saving face”. It’s a status symbol, emblem, part of his portfolio. It’s not so much of a business as a status symbol. I think only City & QPR are Malaysian owned. He has the money and can absorb the cost, financially he doesn’t need to sell. The ownership of, is more important than the business.

[blue lewj]

I’ll have a stab, having worked with / for and run Asian companies for the last 30 years.

In my opinion it’s cultural. The classic “saving face”. It’s a status symbol, emblem, part of his portfolio. It’s not so much of a business as a status symbol. I think only City & QPR are Malaysian owned. He has the money and can absorb the cost, financially he doesn’t need to sell. The ownership of, is more important than the business.

The bit I don't understand with all this is that anybody who cares to take a look at Cardiff City, even in passing, can see that it is run badly.

How is showing you can't run a football club saving face?
Surely in conversation among the people he is trying to impress with this 'status symbol' one of the next questions might touch on the fact we used to be a Premier League club but are now awful on and off the pitch.

The Sala stuff along with how they run the club generally can't be all that great for anybody.

[blue matt]

I’ll have a stab, having worked with / for and run Asian companies for the last 30 years.

In my opinion it’s cultural. The classic “saving face”. It’s a status symbol, emblem, part of his portfolio. It’s not so much of a business as a status symbol. I think only City & QPR are Malaysian owned. He has the money and can absorb the cost, financially he doesn’t need to sell. The ownership of, is more important than the business.

The bit I don't understand with all this is that anybody who cares to take a look at Cardiff City, even in passing, can see that it is run badly.

How is showing you can't run a football club saving face?
Surely in conversation among the people he is trying to impress with this 'status symbol' one of the next questions might touch on the fact we used to be a Premier League club but are now awful on and off the pitch.

The Sala stuff along with how they run the club generally can't be all that great for anybody.

Des has stabbed at it, its not about how its run, its about ownership, he owns a football club, it might be a wreck, but he still owns a football club

[goats]

Des has stabbed at it, its not about how its run, its about ownership, he owns a football club, it might be a wreck, but he still owns a football club

He moans about putting money in, transfer flops, losing money etc…but then continues to run the club so badly…..maybe he just has too much cash to really care?

[The Lone Gunman]

It’s as if we expect a god given right to be good in picking players and managers.

Want to invest on the field, off the field and still reduce debt. Can’t win with football fans

Yeah, it’s as if some fans want the club they support to be successful and the people who own and run their club to be competent. Crazy stuff.