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Thread: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

  1. #101

    Re: Rebuffed

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    You don't support the team though. You regularly tear them and the manager to sheds and never have anything good to say about them. Do you go to games either ?
    Oh I do support the team.

    What I don't support is a group of people making a pigs ear of running the club. There is a very big difference.

    I didn't know who Vincent Tan was before he came and I won't think too much after he's gone.
    I'll still support my club.

    Who says I don't go to games?
    Just because I don't publicise it on here.

  2. #102

    Re: Rebuffed

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    If, as I suspect will happen, City have a strong case for negligence against the broker or insurance company for not insuring Sala from the time of his becoming a City player (which has so far been decided by the Courts took place BEFORE he died), then there are going to be a number of people who have contributed to this thread who are made to look pretty stupid and extremely vindictive for making comments about Tan and employees of the club whilst knowing absolutely nothing about the circumstances of the case and the legal arguments. Some of the things stated in this thread are borderline libellous against the club. How anyone can hate an organisation so much whilst at the same time claiming to still be a fan is beyond me. What we are witnessing is an insurance broker and insurance company wriggling and thrashing around trying to do and say anything to get out of coughing up the insurance money (of course they would never do something like that would they !!) yet all certain people do is blame the club, as if they were directly responsible for killing Sala or any of the other circumstances around his death. If you bought a product off someone and it was damaged or destroyed in transit and could never be used, would you pay up for it anyway or not try to get your money back for it - apparently not according to some people.
    More comedy gold from the board’s most consistently funny character. Whoever came up with idea of dml1954 is a genius.

  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    More comedy gold from the board’s most consistently funny character. Whoever came up with idea of dml1954 is a genius.
    Now we know what Vincent Tan does in his spare time. He writes weird posts on a football message board.

  4. #104

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Now we know what Vincent Tan does in his spare time. He writes weird posts on a football message board.
    dml1954 never says “God willing” and he doesn’t mention Cornelius in every post, so we can rule Vinny out. But whoever is behind the creation of dml1954, he’s a great invention. Far and away the funniest character we’ve had on this board in the 23 years I’ve been using it, and we’ve had a few.

  5. #105

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by blue lewj View Post
    This is all well and good but falls down on the fact the club were saying until very recently that they had not signed the player.

    The arguments they have put forward prior to this have given the insurance broker the vast majority of their argument to defend the case.

    Only at Cardiff City.
    If the case for Sala not being a City player was proven, then there wouldn't have been any need to involve insurance. It's just sequential logic to address each issue in this order.

  6. #106

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    dml1954 never says “God willing” and he doesn’t mention Cornelius in every post, so we can rule Vinny out. But whoever is behind the creation of dml1954, he’s a great invention. Far and away the funniest character we’ve had on this board in the 23 years I’ve been using it, and we’ve had a few.
    Ha ha, you're right.

    Is it possible he was created by Harry Enfield maybe?

  7. #107

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Ha ha, you're right.

    Is it possible he was created by Harry Enfield maybe?
    possible, maybe ? One too many.

  8. #108

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    If the case for Sala not being a City player was proven, then there wouldn't have been any need to involve insurance. It's just sequential logic to address each issue in this order.
    It isn't if you insured them after the plane went missing. As is being claimed.

  9. #109

    Re: Rebuffed

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    If, as I suspect will happen, City have a strong case for negligence against the broker or insurance company for not insuring Sala from the time of his becoming a City player (which has so far been decided by the Courts took place BEFORE he died), then there are going to be a number of people who have contributed to this thread who are made to look pretty stupid and extremely vindictive for making comments about Tan and employees of the club whilst knowing absolutely nothing about the circumstances of the case and the legal arguments. Some of the things stated in this thread are borderline libellous against the club. How anyone can hate an organisation so much whilst at the same time claiming to still be a fan is beyond me. What we are witnessing is an insurance broker and insurance company wriggling and thrashing around trying to do and say anything to get out of coughing up the insurance money (of course they would never do something like that would they !!) yet all certain people do is blame the club, as if they were directly responsible for killing Sala or any of the other circumstances around his death. If you bought a product off someone and it was damaged or destroyed in transit and could never be used, would you pay up for it anyway or not try to get your money back for it - apparently not according to some people.
    So you didn’t screw up then Mehmet? Automatically added to the policy was he? They will have to pay up then and you’ll win the case hands down….

  10. #110

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    If you bought a product off someone and it was damaged or destroyed in transit and could never be used, would you pay up for it anyway or not try to get your money back for it - apparently not according to some people.
    If I'd bought a product for that kind of money, I wouldn't be allowing it to be transported around on a dodgy 2-bit plane run by "McKay airways ltd", and flown by an unqualified f*cking pilot!

  11. #111

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja View Post
    If I'd bought a product for that kind of money, I wouldn't be allowing it to be transported around on a dodgy 2-bit plane run by "McKay airways ltd", and flown by an unqualified f*cking pilot!
    to be fair to the club, I wouldn't have thought they would have known the plane was a wreck and not safe and the pilot was not qualified to have taken the flight, they offered him a commercial flight from CDG

    So while Vinnie is to blame for a few things he has done wrong, not sure this is one

  12. #112

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    possible, maybe ? One too many.
    No I've only had soft drinks all day.

  13. #113

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    [QUOTE=Pedro de la Rosa;5384629]Dalman and Choo are so incompetent it is beyond belief. Embarrassing.[/QUOT

    Thank God they are football experts otherwise you would wonder what they bring to the club ?

  14. #114

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    [QUOTE=DubaiDai;5385035]
    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Dalman and Choo are so incompetent it is beyond belief. Embarrassing.[/QUOT

    Thank God they are football experts otherwise you would wonder what they bring to the club ?
    Charlton must be sick as pigs Mehmet didn't buy them ...Not!

  15. #115

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    More comedy gold from the board’s most consistently funny character. Whoever came up with idea of dml1954 is a genius.
    I see nothing remotely comedic about DML's well reasoned argument at all, nor your sad effort to discredit it.

    You obviously have an axe to grind with our owner as you seem to with many of the said poster's posts, all backed up in the usual way by a couple of your "mates".

    CCFC may well end up losing a lot of money on this saddest of cases but it will not be down to one man's actions before or after the tragedy.

  16. #116

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Charlton must be sick as pigs Mehmet didn't buy them ...Not!
    In fairness, their current owner isn't much better... They've really been through the mill.

  17. #117

    Re: Rebuffed

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    How anyone can hate an organisation so much whilst at the same time claiming to still be a fan is beyond me.
    I don't think anyone on here hates Cardiff City. Plenty of people hate Tan, Dalman and Choo because they are throughly incompetent and are running the football club we love into the ground with incredible ineptitude. Time and time again they make horrendous decision after horrendous decision and nothing ever changes... And that's before we mention the rebrand, what genius that was from Vincent.

  18. #118

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja View Post
    If I'd bought a product for that kind of money, I wouldn't be allowing it to be transported around on a dodgy 2-bit plane run by "McKay airways ltd", and flown by an unqualified f*cking pilot!
    This poor man was transported illegally from France, destination Cardiff Wales

  19. #119

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    I see nothing remotely comedic about DML's well reasoned argument at all, nor your sad effort to discredit it.
    I’m not in the slightest bit surprised. After all, you take umbrage with everything I post, while you seem to view comedy king dml1954 as some sort of role model.

    As regards having an axe to grind, you must have a shed full of them where I’m concerned. Do I know you away from this board and have done something to upset you in the past? If not, then your apparent obsession with my contributions and the upset they seem to cause you is extremely weird.

  20. #120

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Let me get this right the Insurance Company who City are pursuing in court have said we are in the wrong so we must believe them before the club , because Mr Tan runs it . Wow.

    Incredibly folk hate the current crew and are not so vocal about Sam ( let me sue the club ) Hamman because I'm short of cash.. FFS

  21. #121

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I’m not in the slightest bit surprised. After all, you take umbrage with everything I post, while you seem to view comedy king dml1954 as some sort of role model.

    As regards having an axe to grind, you must have a shed full of them where I’m concerned. Do I know you away from this board and have done something to upset you in the past? If not, then your apparent obsession with my contributions and the upset they seem to cause you is extremely weird.
    Haha. My word you have such an inflated opinion of yourself.

    I take umbrage at Cyber bullying period.
    You seem to have a following who jump on the bandwagon every time you post this type of thing, very often aimed at DML.
    This man seems to be a Cardiff City fan who wants what is best for the club. A glass half full type of chap. I don't get it.

    I take umbrage when you post on here with negativity towards the club and owner every time an opportunity arises.

    I find it embarrassing when so called fans on here are posting that they are embarrassed by the owner fighting his corner in what is obviously a very fishy affair.

    Don't worry, I'm not some kind of nut job on a crusade to bring you down à la yourself with VT.

  22. #122

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Let me get this right the Insurance Company who City are pursuing in court have said we are in the wrong so we must believe them before the club , because Mr Tan runs it . Wow.

    Incredibly folk hate the current crew and are not so vocal about Sam ( let me sue the club ) Hamman because I'm short of cash.. FFS
    The club losing case after case so far probably fuels the scepticism.

  23. #123

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    I think the reason people joke about it is because the case against the insurance company is ludicrous, the club have been poorly organised to sort out the paperwork (I’m sure other clubs are too but now we have the benefit of hindsight). Personally I don’t see any logic to the court case but no doubt tan has enough money to piss up the walls on lawyers.

    I’m sure there’s plenty who will think that tan will know far better than us because he has a great business brain but I’ve seen no evidence of that to date. I wonder if he made his millions because he was wearing lucky red

    As far as hating tan and the board is concerned that’s certainly not true for me, I just feel apathetic to the whole set up. In my opinion the villain in the piece is arguably Nantes and given the extraordinary case both clubs should’ve met half way on the fee rather than us being forced to pay £10m for a player who never arrived.

  24. #124

    Re: Rebuffed - Sala Insurance arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Let me get this right the Insurance Company who City are pursuing in court have said we are in the wrong so we must believe them before the club , because Mr Tan runs it . Wow.

    Incredibly folk hate the current crew and are not so vocal about Sam ( let me sue the club ) Hamman because I'm short of cash.. FFS
    You specialise in this sort of thing don’t you. A thread begins criticising the Tory party and you jump in saying, but what about Labour - a party that haven’t been in Government for thirteen years. Now people are rightly being critical of an owner who has turned us into a laughing stock and you’re saying what about Hammam - a man who has not had any real influence at the club for over sixteen years!

    With all that is going wrong at City at the moment, to expect supporters to be turning their fire on Sam Hammam now is completely and utterly barmy. Go to page three of this thread and look at what Tuerto posted at ten past six yesterday evening. That’s why the club are being given such short shrift on this subject - what would you and the other blind faith merchants on here be saying in the identical circumstances if it was another club that had signed Emiliano Sala? You’d be slaughtering them.

  25. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    You specialise in this sort of thing don’t you. A thread begins criticising the Tory party and you jump in saying, but what about Labour - a party that haven’t been in Government for thirteen years. Now people are rightly being critical of an owner who has turned us into a laughing stock and you’re saying what about Hammam - a man who has not had any real influence at the club for over sixteen years!

    With all that is going wrong at City at the moment, to expect supporters to be turning their fire on Sam Hammam now is completely and utterly barmy. Go to page three of this thread and look at what Tuerto posted at ten past six yesterday evening. That’s why the club are being given such short shrift on this subject - what would you and the other blind faith merchants on here be saying in the identical circumstances if it was another club that had signed Emiliano Sala? You’d be slaughtering them.
    As I posted [last weeks ?] this is a unique situation for a football club. Tan is a 'serious' businessman, and I doubt he would pursue a vexatious action without consulting lawyers. It's not a pleasant matter for anyone remotely involved but we're talking about something that was completely beyond the expectations of the club ,it's employees and dreadfully, the family of Sala. I don't begrudge the club pursuing the insurance angle now the legal ownership of the player in football terms has been finally exhausted through the courts. This has shrouded the club for 4 years now and I doubt Tan etc. have enjoyed the adverse publicity and inaccurate reporting [viz WOL] as much as it's infuriated and angered our supporters.

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