Tory fraud.

[Heathblue]

There are differences. Small but important differences. Just as in the USA there are differences between the two major parties of big business and imperialism.

In the USA the faultlines are around issues like universal health care, gun control and whether 17th century fundamentalist Christianity will dictate policy decisions.

In the UK the privatiser and war criminal Blair led governments introduced Sure Start, enabled a programme of council house improvements and through Prudence Brown a series of redistributive budgets that benefitted ordinary people.

I despise Starmer almost as much as the Tories (for some of the same reasons and some different) but in my view even a Starmer-led Labour government (or Labour majority coalition government) will be better than more of the Tories. The marginal differences count.

I wouldn't disagree much, however, do not despise Starmer but don't like him either, and to address Saint Bob I would agree with the waste he points out by the Tories, that isn't for debate IMO, I don't have and will not spend anytime researching but i would be quite confident that the rebadged PFI's from Blair and his mates, that they were not shy in taking advantage of the money sloshing around and that the dodgy deals of this era would dwarf the Tory fraud values of the thread Title, IMO crooks the lot of them and nailing your colours to a mast is just endorsing one set of crooks over the other.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I think the party I have voted for all my life are hopeless and I think starmer is hopeless too

It's a case of getting in that polling booth and voting for a government that will make plenty of mistakes and be guilty of plenty of scandal

They are not socialist but I think to challenge the Tories and keep them from screwing the poor and less fortunate we need to at least elect someone who is not right wing

If enough people don't get out and tick the box at this election then I am done with it all and will vote for some raving loony candidate or lord buckethead

Because if after all the nonsense this conservative government has got up they end up winning another term then this country is firmly right wing and the labour party needs to disband

[Hilts]

Vote them out.

Be wary of polls. Loads of Tories are embarrassed to be Tories( rightly so ) but come the day they will vote for them.

[cyril evans awaydays]

What's the point of voting then if the global corporations decide the laws.

When the Great Reset happens, which global corporations that are left will decide the laws?

[JamesWales]

Vote them out.

Be wary of polls. Loads of Tories are embarrassed to be Tories( rightly so ) but come the day they will vote for them.

It's more that they get an ear full of abuse from some people. Same way some people don't feel they can be openly gay.

[cyril evans awaydays]

It's more that they get an ear full of abuse from some people. Same way some people don't feel they can be openly gay.

But still you go out canvassing! Not for the faint hearted but I guess it gives its own rewards!

[jon1959]

It's more that they get an ear full of abuse from some people. Same way some people don't feel they can be openly gay.

Equating political preference with sexual orientation? Hmmm….

I don’t know any gay people who ‘choose’ to be gay. All the Tories I know chose to follow the blue rosette.

I suppose some people may have been born with a genetic Tory disorder? Interesting…..

[JamesWales]

Equating political preference with sexual orientation? Hmmm….

I don’t know any gay people who ‘choose’ to be gay. All the Tories I know chose to follow the blue rosette.

I suppose some people may have been born with a genetic Tory disorder? Interesting…..

The issue isn't whether someone chooses something or not, although that does make abuse crueller, I agree. It is about whether it is acceptable to abuse people with different beliefs or not. And it isn't.

[Dorcus]

The issue isn't whether someone chooses something or not, although that does make abuse crueller, I agree. It is about whether it is acceptable to abuse people with different beliefs or not. And it isn't.

If they're Tories yes, its an evil belief and must be exposed.

[JamesWales]

If they're Tories yes, its an evil belief and must be exposed.

It's not though is it. Just like being gay isn't an evil belief that should be exposed, or being a Catholic isn't or being a social democrat isnt or anything else.

You shouldn't take pride in making people not be themselves around you. That's not a good thing. I think it's better to let people know that they can always come to me for support and would never be judged.

[Dorcus]

It's not though is it. Just like being gay isn't an evil belief that should be exposed, or being a Catholic isn't or being a social democrat isnt or anything else.

You shouldn't take pride in making people not be themselves around you. That's not a good thing. I think it's better to let people know that they can always come to me for support and would never be judged.

Being gay certainly isn't an evil belief, Toryism is. Thank goodness for you it isn't illegal .....yet.

[jon1959]

The issue isn't whether someone chooses something or not, although that does make abuse crueller, I agree. It is about whether it is acceptable to abuse people with different beliefs or not. And it isn't.

You are just repeating yourself.

So I will too.

Sexual orientation is not a ‘belief’. It is not a choice. There is no equivalence with a religious belief or a political conviction. You can change your belief system or voting habits, you cannot change your sexuality.

[JamesWales]

You are just repeating yourself.

So I will too.

Sexual orientation is not a ‘belief’. It is not a choice. There is no equivalence with a religious belief or a political conviction. You can change your belief system or voting habits, you cannot change your sexuality.

Yes Jon, I understand that. But isn't the issue whether someone should or should not be abused or not. Doesn't the issue lie with the bigot/extremist/ illiberal, whatever it may be who makes someone fear expressing what they think or feel in front of them. There are plenty of things people choose or don't choose (and some like religion that fit somewhere in between). Doesn't mean it's okay to abuse them into silence.

[ToTaL ITK]

It say a lot about a country when the electorate have feck all to say about how the country is going. it's almost like a dictatorship.

[Wales-Bales]

It say a lot about a country when the electorate have feck all to say about how the country is going. it's almost like a dictatorship.

It's only getting started and everything is pointing towards a biosecurity state where everything is going to be digitally controlled, including movement, money, consumption, inoculation & energy, etc. Some people are going to have face some hard conversations with their family and friends, including children and grandchildren, but here's the thing. The cowards amongst us will never admit that that they were warned and yet they still decided to call everything a conspiracy theory.

[cyril evans awaydays]

It's only getting started and everything is pointing towards a biosecurity state where everything is going to be digitally controlled, including movement, money, consumption, inoculation & energy, etc. Some people are going to have face some hard conversations with their family and friends, including children and grandchildren, but here's the thing. The cowards amongst us will never admit that that they were warned and yet they still decided to call everything a conspiracy theory.

Can I just say that the sight of a Brexit loving, fossil fuel addicted, climate change denier worrying about other people's family, friends, children and grandchildren almost brought a little tear to the corner of my eye!

[jon1959]

It's only getting started and everything is pointing towards a biosecurity state where everything is going to be digitally controlled, including movement, money, consumption, inoculation & energy, etc. Some people are going to have face some hard conversations with their family and friends, including children and grandchildren, but here's the thing. The cowards amongst us will never admit that that they were warned and yet they still decided to call everything a conspiracy theory.

You, the most slippery, goal-post moving, deflector and fridge-dweller in the history of this Board are calling other people 'cowards'?

Wow!

[the other bob wilson]

You, the most slippery, goal-post moving, deflector and fridge-dweller in the history of this Board are calling other people 'cowards'?

Wow!

“Fridge dweller”, like that one

[Wales-Bales]

You, the most slippery, goal-post moving, deflector and fridge-dweller in the history of this Board are calling other people 'cowards'?

Wow!

When you are on a timeline it's easy to measure the progress of past and future events, and witnessing Cyril's conspiracy theories coming true is a good example of that.

[Hilts]

It's more that they get an ear full of abuse from some people. Same way some people don't feel they can be openly gay.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant your comparing the persecution of gays to Tory voters.

[ninian opinian]

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/06/g...eport-reveals/



I now await the obligatory “yes, but no, but the Labour party” posts from the usual suspects.

Posted this a day earlier https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...as-his-pledges