Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

[Heathblue]

Conclusions begin on page 39 of the report.

https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-n...t-covid-deaths

[life on mars]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

Think a lot thought that Churchill once said of scientists "" . Let us make sure that they are servants, but not our masters.""

Does that mean Drakeford would still be in lockdown now caused more damage than was needed in Wales ? I clearly rembering him and dodgy Nicola challenging Boris over his decesion to not let the Omicron variant create complete lockdowns in fact England opened up early than everyone else.

Schools should never have lockdown sadly they were forced into that by unions and the opposition.

All we have now is a country of anxiety sadly it includes children .

Thanks Sage .

[Heathblue]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

Think a lot thought that Churchill once said dont let scientist's make desesions just listen .

Does that mean Drakeford would still be in lockdown now caused more damage than was needed in Wales ? I clearly rembering him and dodgy Nicola challenging Boris over his decesion to not let the Omicron variant create complete lockdowns in fact England opened up early than everyone else.

Schools should never have lockdown sadly they were forced into that by unions and the opposition.

All we have now is a country of anxiety sadly it includes children .

Thanks Sage .

T.B.F I think it's all that could have been done at the outset, the disappointment was that, scientists who as the event was progressing were trying to say hold on a min there might be an alternative, and I'm thinking the Barrington declaration and Geert Vanden Bossche were basically told to facking p1ss off and shut the F up, we'll never really know and "it is what it is" (I hate this saying which seems very popular at the moment) Lessons learnt for the next one ? I doubt it, we often read that Lockdowns saved nnnn amount of lives, the linked study from what i believe to be a credible source suggests differently.

[jon1959]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

An 18 month old study of the impact of lock-down in the US?

I skimmed it, but it doesn't say anything different from other similar 'studies' that detail the economic impact of lockdown (not very contentious) whilst selectively picking through health data.

In the UK the lockdown - even when started too late, badly managed, without effective test and trace systems, and suspended for 'eat out to spread it about' and hug a granny at Christmas - prevented the NHS from being overwhelmed.

The prevention of that catastrophic harm is not a feature of this old US study - and why would it be. But it is the main point for many of us in the UK.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

An 18 month old study of the impact of lock-down in the US?

I skimmed it, but it doesn't say anything different from other similar 'studies' that detail the economic impact of lockdown (not very contentious) whilst selectively picking through health data.

In the UK the lockdown - even when started too late, badly managed, without effective test and trace systems, and suspended for 'eat out to spread it about' and hug a granny at Christmas - prevented the NHS from being overwhelmed.

The prevention of that catastrophic harm is not a feature of this old US study - and why would it be. But it is the main point for many of us in the UK.

A little more context Bob.

The study was produced by a few economists and found light 15 months ago, got heavily criticised then got rehashed in May last year. Even then it was heavily challenged by epidimiologists. Rather than go through a peer review process it seems to have resurfaced as a pamphlet published by the Institue of Economic Affairs rather than a "John Hopkins" study.

You will last remember them as the uber-libertarian body behind Kwasi Kwarteng's budget that probably cost the country more in one week than lockdowns cost the economy in the last two years.

If you want to know what the scientific community thought of the economists' work you can read it here.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-an-iea-report-about-covid-19-lockdowns/

I think this comment is pretty representative.

They even have a “quality score” for the studies that they did include. All good, you might think. Except it isn’t. First, by picking only a very particular type of study they ignore the vast majority of the evidence. Indeed, the report devotes page after page to why they are disregarding this (type of) study or that. If you ignore all the data that you don’t like, you tend to get the answer you were looking for in the first place.

Still, it is trending in libertarian circles such as GB News, the Telegraph and Mail and even seems to have found its way to the dark bits of the web that find Nels so another day in paradise no doubt awaits!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

A little more context Bob.

Sorry Jon!:facepalm:

[TWGL1]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

T.B.F I think it's all that could have been done at the outset, the disappointment was that, scientists who as the event was progressing were trying to say hold on a min there might be an alternative, and I'm thinking the Barrington declaration and Geert Vanden Bossche were basically told to facking p1ss off and shut the F up, we'll never really know and "it is what it is" (I hate this saying which seems very popular at the moment) Lessons learnt for the next one ? I doubt it, we often read that Lockdowns saved nnnn amount of lives, the linked study from what i believe to be a credible source suggests differently.

:thumbup:

[Heathblue]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

Sorry Jon!:facepalm:

When the excitement reached you to get your alternative report Infront of your peers, and after rushing out from under the bed, your fingers were typing before you got the 3rd mask off which has contributed to a little faux pas :thumbup:
we've all done it (well not the three face masks bit!!!).

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

When the excitement reached you to get your alternative report Infront of your peers, and after rushing out from under the bed, your fingers were typing before you got the 3rd mask off which has contributed to a little faux pas :thumbup:
we've all done it (well not the three face masks bit!!!).

It's ok Nels. I already knew you had an incredibly fertile imagination unconstrained by facts.

Now that you have the fact that this is not a John Hopkins study, indeed John Hopkins School of Public Health couldn't have put more distance between it and the authors; that it is a rehash of a discredited non-peer reviewed study of 15 months ago published instead as a book by the Liz Truss supporting Institute of Economic Affairs.

Do you still think that you linked a study from what you believed to be a credible source and if so, apart from the confirmation bias to your beliefs, why?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

An 18 month old study of the impact of lock-down in the US?

I skimmed it, but it doesn't say anything different from other similar 'studies' that detail the economic impact of lockdown (not very contentious) whilst selectively picking through health data.

In the UK the lockdown - even when started too late, badly managed, without effective test and trace systems, and suspended for 'eat out to spread it about' and hug a granny at Christmas - prevented the NHS from being overwhelmed.

The prevention of that catastrophic harm is not a feature of this old US study - and why would it be. But it is the main point for many of us in the UK.

My mind keeps going back to those pictures of NHS staff head-to-toe in Hazmat suits, restraining a couple from holding their terminally ill 13yr old son dying in his hospital bed. Lockdown was cruel, wicked, and shows the power of authority and the influence it has on a large proportion of the population. Servants not masters, Churchill was right about that/

[TWGL1]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

It's ok Nels. I already knew you had an incredibly fertile imagination unconstrained by facts.

Now that you have the fact that this is not a John Hopkins study, indeed John Hopkins School of Public Health couldn't have put more distance between it and the authors; that it is a rehash of a discredited non-peer reviewed study of 15 months ago published instead as a book by the Liz Truss supporting Institute of Economic Affairs.

Do you still think that you linked a study from what you believed to be a credible source and if so, apart from the confirmation bias to your beliefs, why?

What evidence do you have that suggests lockdowns were a more positive outcome as almost everything I’m reading suggests otherwise in terms of the economic, social and general health ( see excess deaths on the ONS website ).

Perhaps they were used in lockstep to test the impact of climate change and the policies that are currently being implemented at pace.

[Dorcus]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

My mind keeps going back to those pictures of NHS staff head-to-toe in Hazmat suits, restraining a couple from holding their terminally ill 13yr old son dying in his hospital bed. Lockdown was cruel, wicked, and shows the power of authority and the influence it has on a large proportion of the population. Servants not masters, Churchill was right about that/

Lockdowns aren't cruel and wicked; the effects of viruses are.

[TWGL1]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

Lockdowns aren't cruel and wicked; the effects of viruses are.

Lockdown benefits ‘a drop in the bucket compared to the costs’, landmark study finds
Researchers say draconian measures taken in spring 2020 had 'negligible impact' on Covid mortality compared with lighter-touch countries

Lockdown saved as few as 1,700 lives in England and Wales in spring 2020, according to a landmark study which concludes the benefits of the policy were “a drop in the bucket compared to the staggering collateral costs” imposed.

Scientists from Johns Hopkins University and Lund University examined almost 20,000 studies on measures taken to protect populations against Covid across the world.

Their findings suggest that lockdowns in response to the first wave of the pandemic, when compared with less strict policies adopted by the likes of Sweden, prevented as few as 1,700 deaths in England and Wales. In an average week there are around 11,000 deaths in England and Wales.

The report authors said their findings showed that the draconian measures had a “negligible impact” on Covid mortality and were a “policy failure of gigantic proportions”.

Johns Hopkins is one of the most respected medical schools in the world and became known during the pandemic for its Covid dashboard measuring cases and deaths all over the world.

The study’s authors conclude: “The science of lockdowns is clear; the data are in: the deaths saved were a drop in the bucket compared to the staggering collateral costs imposed.”

The detrimental impact of lockdown on children’s health and education, on economic growth and its contribution to large increases in public debt has become increasingly clear since the policy was introduced.

Tellingly

However, The Telegraph recently revealed that a secretive government unit worked with social media companies during the pandemic in an attempt to curtail criticism of controversial lockdown policies.

The Covid Disinformation Unit monitored social media and asked tech companies to remove posts it considered to be “potentially harmful content”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/04/first-lockdown-prevented-1700-deaths-landmark-study-finds/

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

What evidence do you have that suggests lockdowns were a more positive outcome as almost everything I’m reading suggests otherwise in terms of the economic, social and general health ( see excess deaths on the ONS website ).

Perhaps they were used in lockstep to test the impact of climate change and the policies that are currently being implemented at pace.

I have previously given you the excess mortality graphs on Page 2 of this report. They show the exponential increasing number of excess deaths covid related leading up to lockdowns before they return to some reduction following it. Probably a similar picture in all the countries, democratic, authoritarian, east, west, north or south who imposed restrictions before vaccines became widely available.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

As you may have heard so many times, deaths are the tip of the iceberg. For each death there are many more hospitalisations and deprioritisation of routine preventative surgery and treatment. Nobody I know liked lockdowns, most sane people understood their purpose.

But in between there was social distancing, broken record from you on how irrelevant that was, coupled with the vaccination programme that eliminated the need for lockdowns but to0 you was the devil incarnate delivered by the WEF, Gates and the WHO.

And then you finish a reasonable question with some vague Reset bollocks straight out of the Gluey playbook.

If you could source the "every thing you are reading" from your peer reviewed twitter feed that should give enough laughs for the rest of the evening.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

Lockdown benefits ‘a drop in the bucket compared to the costs’, landmark study finds
Researchers say draconian measures taken in spring 2020 had 'negligible impact' on Covid mortality compared with lighter-touch countries

Lockdown saved as few as 1,700 lives in England and Wales in spring 2020, according to a landmark study which concludes the benefits of the policy were “a drop in the bucket compared to the staggering collateral costs” imposed.

Scientists from Johns Hopkins University and Lund University examined almost 20,000 studies on measures taken to protect populations against Covid across the world.

Their findings suggest that lockdowns in response to the first wave of the pandemic, when compared with less strict policies adopted by the likes of Sweden, prevented as few as 1,700 deaths in England and Wales. In an average week there are around 11,000 deaths in England and Wales.

The report authors said their findings showed that the draconian measures had a “negligible impact” on Covid mortality and were a “policy failure of gigantic proportions”.

Johns Hopkins is one of the most respected medical schools in the world and became known during the pandemic for its Covid dashboard measuring cases and deaths all over the world.

The study’s authors conclude: “The science of lockdowns is clear; the data are in: the deaths saved were a drop in the bucket compared to the staggering collateral costs imposed.”

The detrimental impact of lockdown on children’s health and education, on economic growth and its contribution to large increases in public debt has become increasingly clear since the policy was introduced.

Tellingly

However, The Telegraph recently revealed that a secretive government unit worked with social media companies during the pandemic in an attempt to curtail criticism of controversial lockdown policies.

The Covid Disinformation Unit monitored social media and asked tech companies to remove posts it considered to be “potentially harmful content”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...k-study-finds/

It's like groundhog day. The study guy is a libertarian economist in the Economics faculty. As I said earlier John Hopkins School of Public Health couldn't have put more distance between it and the authors if it tried.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/scicheck-what-weve-learned-about-so-called-lockdowns-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/