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Cruyff’s legacy is still evident today.
Tony evans. You can close this thread
It is John Charles for me, watched him play, read what his team mates said of him, a great player without a doubt. The late Jackie Charlton once said with him in the team it was equivalent to having a 12 man team.
30 posts and no mention of Will Vaulks. Scandalous!
I think it was just used as an easy and convenient way to split the difference. NYC rightly points out that it's never used with Cruyff. I haven't seen it argued that Zidane is the best European player over Cruyff because he won a world cup (and a euros too).
I'm repeating myself, but Maradona relied on his three team mates to score the goals, something they didn't do in 1990. If you're comparing players as individuals, things that their team mates do shouldn't matter to the point where that is the sole factor, as there's more than enough that Messi and Maradona have done individually to discuss.
plenty of people said that Messi wasnt the GOAT because he hadn't won the World Cup ( TOBW was not alone in that thought ) many said that what Maradona did in the World Cup made him the GOAT, for me and ive had this opinion for a few years, Messi has been at the very top for near 20 years, we throw the GOAT term around alot in the sports world, but its deserved in Messi's case
Ive recently got back from the US and had a interesting discussion about football and soccer with a bloke in a ride line ( interesting a few Americans spotted my daughters city shirt and knew Cardiff were in the championship and who they were ( thats a new thing, welcome to wrexham maybe ? ? ) our server on the cruise ( from the Philippines ) knew a awful lot about Cardiff ( players and recent history ) and we are his "premiership team " I did point out we were in the championship, but he didnt care
anyways, this guy in the line spotted my daughters Messi shirt ( they were the most popular shirts we saw ) and we were British I guess we got talking about GOAT's and Messi and Brady, now im a big fan on Brady, what he did in his career ( from where it began ) and his stat's were world class 7 X Super Bowl champs, 5 X Super Bowl MVP ( man of the match in a super bowl for non NFL followers ) , but I could let him have that Brady was a GOAT over Messi, 7 X Ballon d'Or's must mean something,
Cardiff had Norman Dean in the 1960s. He scored the winner against Moscow Torpedo in 1967-68 quarter final and twice in the two games against Hamburg in the semi final.
That’s who’s being referred to further up this page
Let him have his moment of glory
Interesting that the Ballon D’or winner has only come from 3 British clubs, Manure (x4), Liverpool & Blackpool, 6 times in 65 years.