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  • #31
    Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

    Caroline Lucas has nailed it!

    The prime minister’s address on Friday was a masterclass in gaslighting and made a new art form of rank hypocrisy, says Green MP Caroline Lucas

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    • #32
      Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

      Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
      She certainly has, meanwhile Starmer talks as if he would have been willing to stand in support alongside Sunak when he was delivering the speech if he’d been asked.

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      • #33
        Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

        Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
        She certainly has, meanwhile Starmer talks as if he would have been willing to stand in support alongside Sunak when he was delivering the speech if he’d been asked.
        He's a man without principles nakedly on the hunt for votes. The Tories on here can breathe a sigh of relief should his party attain power

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        • #34
          Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

          Originally posted by Dorcus View Post
          Maybe it's the first time I've ever agreed with you. Yes everyone is feeling outraged at the state of British politics and it seems it all started 14 years ago.

          Mind you, in your case you were born outraged 😂
          Do you really think it only started 14 years ago?

          I have had an interest in politics since 1964 and to my mind it has been going downhill ever since.

          The internet has only exacerbated the situation

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          • #35
            Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

            Originally posted by Elwood Blues View Post
            Do you really think it only started 14 years ago?

            I have had an interest in politics since 1964 and to my mind it has been going downhill ever since.

            The internet has only exacerbated the situation
            Team Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green vetting all candidates at central office level has played a big part in the HOC being filled with nodding donkeys.

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            • #36
              Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

              Instead of seeking to demonise protesters for justice, the government should be putting pressure on Israel, says Ben Jamal, director of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign


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              The PSC has organised and mobilised demonstrations to pressure politicians to call for an immediate ceasefire. We have also sought to help people understand how this violence is rooted in Israel’s decades-long military occupation, and its imposition of a system of oppression now accepted by leading human rights organisations including Amnesty International as meeting the legal definition of apartheid. Since 1982, PSC has been campaigning to end this oppression and support a just peace based on respect for the rights of everyone in the territory between the river and the sea. Over the past few weeks, the number of people subscribed to our email list has grown from 75,000 to 300,000. We have opened a further 25 branches, and 15 national trade unions have formally affiliated with us.

              All of those who campaign for the rights of the Palestinian people are used to attempts to delegitimise their actions. Since October, politicians and parts of the media have attempted to demonise those who have been marching in London as hatemongers and extremists. The reality, as confirmed by the Met Police in the evidence it recently gave to the home affairs select committee, is that despite very heavy policing, the marches have been overwhelmingly peaceful, with proportionally fewer arrests than at Glastonbury music festival. And every march has included a bloc of Jewish protesters, sometimes several thousand strong – a fact that has rarely been reported in the media.

              These interventions from politicians are framed as a defence of democracy, but they are in reality an attack on it. Seeking to limit the legal and legitimate activities of established groups such as PSC, whose work is endorsed across UK civil society, is profoundly anti-democratic. At a time when civil society and human rights defenders are under attack around the world, the government should be upholding our democratic freedoms, not seeking to remove them from people with whom it has a political disagreement. Rather than seeking to silence those standing up for justice and peace, political leaders should be focused on exercising maximum pressure on Israel’s extreme rightwing government to cease its assault.

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              • #37
                Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                Originally posted by Wales-Bales View Post
                Team Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green vetting all candidates at central office level has played a big part in the HOC being filled with nodding donkeys.
                Indeed

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                • #38
                  Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                  Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
                  While there are some things she says I can agree with. "Nailed it" is certainly not a term I would use.

                  Overegged pudding springs more to my mind!

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                  • #39
                    Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                    Originally posted by Elwood Blues View Post
                    While there are some things she says I can agree with. "Nailed it" is certainly not a term I would use.

                    Overegged pudding springs more to my mind!
                    'Nailed it' sprang to mine.

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                    • #40
                      Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                      Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
                      'Nailed it' sprang to mine.
                      Great minds don't always think alike jon!

                      If I go on my laptop tonight I may expand on my views.

                      Too much hard doing longer posts on my tablet or phone thses days!

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                      • #41
                        Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                        Originally posted by Elwood Blues View Post
                        Great minds don't always think alike jon!

                        If I go on my laptop tonight I may expand on my views.

                        Too much hard doing longer posts on my tablet or phone thses days!

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                        • #42
                          Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                          Originally posted by Elwood Blues View Post
                          Great minds don't always think alike jon!

                          If I go on my laptop tonight I may expand on my views.

                          Too much hard doing longer posts on my ta!blet or phone thses days!
                          (Whoops! Should have deleted the word much before I posted! And corrected the other errors! Shows why I try to avoid writing long posts using my phone!)

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                          • #43
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                            • #44
                              Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                              This is what some totally not extremist protesters did today. Destroying art related to the creation of a Jewish state.

                              All a little bit 'fascisty' isn't it?

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                              • #45
                                Re: PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'

                                Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                                This is what some totally not extremist protesters did today. Destroying art related to the creation of a Jewish state.

                                All a little bit 'fascisty' isn't it?

                                https://news.sky.com/story/pro-pales...ridge-13090043
                                It isn't a little bit fascisty at all.

                                It is political vandalism directed at an image which celebrates someone who should not be celebrated and in this case is seen by many, many people as the originator of the dispossession and suppression of Palestinian people through the Balfour Declaration. It is in the same mould as daubing red paint on the Colston statue and dropping it in Bristol dock. It is different from environmental campaigners glueing themselves to a Van Gogh (someone who liked sunflowers!).

                                I am not a fan of defacing or damaging works of art - but I think the final, horizontal, resting place of the defaced Colston statue - complete with information boards about him, the artist and the direct action that removed him from his plinth - is a massive improvement on the original situation where he remained celebrated and his reputation unchallenged.

                                What this case isn't is 'fascisty'. This is not burning books!

                                If you want to see something 'a little bit fascisty' turn your attention to the artists, writers and academics who have been cancelled, banned or sacked from their jobs - in Germany, the USA and here in the UK - because they defend Palestinians against apartheid and ethnic cleansing. Not Hamas supporting - but standing up for human rights and humanity. The victims of this fascistic purge have grown massively since 7 October 2023 - but there is a track record that went back long before. Cancelling and smearing political opponents from a position of state or institutional power is certainly 'fascisty'.

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