Vaping. The scientific community are unanimous..

[A Quiet Monkfish]

"..a small fraction of the risks of smoking..." 2022

https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/qui...and-the-facts/


Today,

Vaping ‘linked to cancer and damages body like smoking'.. Apparently the same DNA changes in people who vape as those who develop cancer through smoking cigarettes.

Perfectly obvious to pretty much to the non-scientists-experts among us, but of course, the experts preached otherwise..

[jon1959]

"..a small fraction of the risks of smoking..." 2022

https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/qui...and-the-facts/


Today,

Vaping ‘linked to cancer and damages body like smoking'.. Apparently the same DNA changes in people who vape as those who develop cancer through smoking cigarettes.

Perfectly obvious to pretty much to the non-scientists-experts among us, but of course, the experts preached otherwise..

What is the source of your 'today' quote?

Major cancer charities as well as the NHS all say the same thing about relative risks:

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/abo...vaping-harmful

Despite that I would not be surprised to learn that vaping causes serious health damage (even cancer from the vape chemicals) - but it would not be the same damage or the same carcinogens as from tobacco.

How long have vapes been around? We won't know the long-term effects for sure for decades.

[Dembe]

What is the source of your 'today' quote?

Major cancer charities as well as the NHS all say the same thing about relative risks:

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/abo...vaping-harmful

Despite that I would not be surprised to learn that vaping causes serious health damage (even cancer from the vape chemicals) - but it would not be the same damage or the same carcinogens as from tobacco.

How long have vapes been around? We won't know the long-term effects for sure for decades.

I'd like to say around 20 years, I have no sauce to back this up and my memory hasn't always been the greatest. Those big obnoxious vapes have definitely been around 10 or more years but I wanna say closer to 20..

[lardy]

What is the source of your 'today' quote?

Major cancer charities as well as the NHS all say the same thing about relative risks:

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/abo...vaping-harmful

Despite that I would not be surprised to learn that vaping causes serious health damage (even cancer from the vape chemicals) - but it would not be the same damage or the same carcinogens as from tobacco.

How long have vapes been around? We won't know the long-term effects for sure for decades.

The quote comes from The Times, which is behind a paywall

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/v...tudy-xwtv32fl9

The headline is:

Vaping ‘linked to cancer and damages body like smoking’
Scientists said a landmark study showed that e-cigarettes ‘might not be as harmless as originally thought’

I can get the start of the article through 12ft.io (paywall avoiding website). It's cut off mid sentence by the website, not me.

People who vape suffer similar changes to their DNA as smokers who develop cancer, researchers have revealed.

Scientists at University College London analysed samples of cheek cells from vape users and compared these with those from cigarette smokers. Both groups had similar changes to the DNA of cells in their mouth.

These changes were, in turn, linked to the future development of lung cancer in smokers.

The authors of the study, published in the journal Cancer Research, said the findings did not prove e-cigarettes cause cancer but show that “the devices might not be as harmless as originally thought”.

It is the first major study to draw a link between e-cigarettes and an increased risk of

That should be enough info to find the scientific paper, if anyone is interested.

The NHS website in the OP says in a big yellow box with large letters at the top "Vaping is not completely harmless. We only recommend it for adult smokers, to support quitting smoking and staying quit.", and the full paragraph the quote comes from is:

In 2022, UK experts reviewed the international evidence and found that "in the short and medium-term, vaping poses a small fraction of the risks of smoking".

It would be interesting to know if the vape users in the study had previously been cigarette smokers, but I would imagine that they had control groups to allow for it. To me, I'd say the positions of the NHS page and the Times article (from what I could read of it) are closer than the OP suggests.

[Keyser Soze]

"..a small fraction of the risks of smoking..." 2022

https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/qui...and-the-facts/


Today,

Vaping ‘linked to cancer and damages body like smoking'.. Apparently the same DNA changes in people who vape as those who develop cancer through smoking cigarettes.

Perfectly obvious to pretty much to the non-scientists-experts among us, but of course, the experts preached otherwise..

Breathing in fumes and scorching your throat with the same heat as filthy old fags is bad for you. My question is “How much money and health resources did it take to research that and quote the obvious?”

You don’t exactly see footballers, rugby players and athletes sucking on them for performance enhancement prior to their gig, so was such a waste of money needed? Thanks, “experts”.

Next they’ll be paid to research if swallowing sewage is good for us, because it has never been “evidenced” before. Here’s the clue - it has shit and bile in it. It’s bad. No data needed. No experts required. Ta.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

What is the source of your 'today' quote?

Major cancer charities as well as the NHS all say the same thing about relative risks:

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/abo...vaping-harmful

Despite that I would not be surprised to learn that vaping causes serious health damage (even cancer from the vape chemicals) - but it would not be the same damage or the same carcinogens as from tobacco.

How long have vapes been around? We won't know the long-term effects for sure for decades.

And that's the thing. We all laugh at 1930's adverts with footballers promoting cigarettes - they were even claimed to be 'good for you' and helped breathing ! Not much difference to today's vaping epidemic.

[Wales-Bales]

What is the source of your 'today' quote?

Major cancer charities as well as the NHS all say the same thing about relative risks:

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/abo...vaping-harmful

Despite that I would not be surprised to learn that vaping causes serious health damage (even cancer from the vape chemicals) - but it would not be the same damage or the same carcinogens as from tobacco.

How long have vapes been around? We won't know the long-term effects for sure for decades.

More info here .. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/h...s-same-9174741

[jon1959]

More info here .. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/h...s-same-9174741

'Although the study doesn't prove that vaping causes cancer - and though the practice is still considered safer than smoking tobacco - the new study raises questions about how harmful it is.'

Fair enough!

[The Bloop]

I'd like to say around 20 years, I have no sauce to back this up and my memory hasn't always been the greatest. Those big obnoxious vapes have definitely been around 10 or more years but I wanna say closer to 20..

I stopped smoking in 2010. I don't remember vaping being a thing then to help you quit. It was all patches and gum then. I'd say it was about 10 years ago they became more common.

[lardy]

And that's the thing. We all laugh at 1930's adverts with footballers promoting cigarettes - they were even claimed to be 'good for you' and helped breathing ! Not much difference to today's vaping epidemic.

Ah yes, the scientific community!