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  1. #1

    Oh dear.

    More proof that the current crop of Conservative MPs are thicker and worse at politics than most of their predecessors.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...ing-gaffe.html

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    Its funny how the video looks quite different when you play it for another few seconds though and he answers the question..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-68901786

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Its funny how the video looks quite different when you play it for another few seconds though and he answers the question..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-68901786
    What's entirely predictable is that you'd be in defending him. I'm going to watch the whole thing on IPlayer in a minute, but, even if he did eventually answer the question, the damage had already been done, he looks completely unprofessional and without the facts to hand when he was first asked the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    What's entirely predictable is that you'd be in defending him. I'm going to watch the whole thing on IPlayer in a minute, but, even if he did eventually answer the question, the damage had already been done, he looks completely unprofessional and without the facts to hand when he was first asked the question.
    Yeah he looks unprofessional because people try to reduce down a complex situation to a few seconds of edited video.

    What was also predictable is that you would be all over it although you are normally better than calling people thick!

    Eventually answer the question? He answered it a couple of seconds after the video ended!

  5. #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Its funny how the video looks quite different when you play it for another few seconds though and he answers the question..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-68901786
    That's the only clip I have seen and I thought he looked like an idiot.

    Like it or not, it is their most prominent policy coming into the election and he should be able to respond to a very simple example without fumbling around.

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Yeah he looks unprofessional because people try to reduce down a complex situation to a few seconds of edited video.

    What was also predictable is that you would be all over it although you are normally better than calling people thick!

    Eventually answer the question? He answered it a couple of seconds after the video ended!
    What’s “complex” about knowing whether Rwanda and Congo are separate countries?

    Also, I said the current lot are thicker than their predecessors- it seems obvious to me that, with one or two exceptions, the present Government is more inept than the previous Tory administrations in my lifetime have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    That's the only clip I have seen and I thought he looked like an idiot.

    Like it or not, it is their most prominent policy coming into the election and he should be able to respond to a very simple example without fumbling around.
    The question wasnt entirely clear, Goma is the 10th largest city in the Democratic Republic of Congo (I looked this morning!) and to me it's clearly a rhetorical question. Both DR Congo and Rwanda are well known countries and it strikes me as highly unlikely that he didn't know they were. The tone in the 'question' is also more rhetorical, and playing the video for a few seconds longer makes it very different indeed as he clearly answers it.

    I hate this kind of politics in my opinion. Bob himself admitted he didn't even watch the programme before posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    What’s “complex” about knowing whether Rwanda and Congo are separate countries?
    The whole topic is complex, reduced down for the internet age to an edited video clip.

    I don't believe for one second that you really believe that he thinks that Rwanda and DR Congo are the same country. You know he doesn't think that.

  9. #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The whole topic is complex, reduced down for the internet age to an edited video clip.

    I don't believe for one second that you really believe that he thinks that Rwanda and DR Congo are the same country. You know he doesn't think that.
    Forty four words I make it in your post above and almost as many assumptions and examples of telling people what they’re really thinking on your behalf. Ive watched the programme now and his reply was just left to hang in the air as the conversation moved on to another point. He made an embarrassing mess of his first reply and the incredulous reaction of a panel member and a fair few of the audience spoke volumes. The BBC had it on their news first thing in the morning and the Mail of all papers were not slow in reporting it. I can remember that Mr Philp was Chief Secretary of the Treasury at the time of the Truss/Kwarteng emergency creating Budget, he was on his phone during Kwarteng’s presentation texting people about how the FTSE was going up during the speech - he sounds like a bit of an idiot to me.

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    If you truly believe that the MP doesn't know that DR Congo and Rwanda are two different countries and it wasn't merely a rhetorical question as part of giving an answer to a not entirely clear question, which he completed a mere seconds after your gotcha video ended then that's up to you I guess.

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    What a feckin idiot.

    It would be funny but people actually voted these clowns in. The standard of politician in this country is truly shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The question wasnt entirely clear, Goma is the 10th largest city in the Democratic Republic of Congo (I looked this morning!) and to me it's clearly a rhetorical question. Both DR Congo and Rwanda are well known countries and it strikes me as highly unlikely that he didn't know they were. The tone in the 'question' is also more rhetorical, and playing the video for a few seconds longer makes it very different indeed as he clearly answers it.

    I hate this kind of politics in my opinion. Bob himself admitted he didn't even watch the programme before posting.
    It reminds me of the "I hadn't understood the UK was so dependent on the Calais crossing" quote.

    But it's highly unlikely the Brexit Sec wouldn't know that!

  13. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    If you truly believe that the MP doesn't know that DR Congo and Rwanda are two different countries and it wasn't merely a rhetorical question as part of giving an answer to a not entirely clear question, which he completed a mere seconds after your gotcha video ended then that's up to you I guess.
    As I said in the title of this thread.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2535291.html

  14. #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    If you truly believe that the MP doesn't know that DR Congo and Rwanda are two different countries and it wasn't merely a rhetorical question as part of giving an answer to a not entirely clear question, which he completed a mere seconds after your gotcha video ended then that's up to you I guess.
    As I said in the title of this thread.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2535291.html

    God, the board is slow again today.

  15. #15

    Re: Oh dear.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    If you truly believe that the MP doesn't know that DR Congo and Rwanda are two different countries and it wasn't merely a rhetorical question as part of giving an answer to a not entirely clear question, which he completed a mere seconds after your gotcha video ended then that's up to you I guess.
    I didn't think the question is unclear or complicated in the slightest.

    Philp is a nerd and is clearly un-coachable from a media perspective. This doesn't make him a bad person but they probably shouldn't be drawing attention to this by sticking him on shows where he has to answer questions that aren't about his brief.

    The fact that you can't admit he looks a bit silly is pretty mad, the audience reaction makes it pretty clear that the majority in there understood perfectly well what the question meant first time around.

  16. #16

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    at lest gething knows what a bribe is

  17. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Its funny how the video looks quite different when you play it for another few seconds though and he answers the question..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-68901786
    You are such a sycophantic tory boy creep

    Only you could defend this idiot

    And here you are , like clockwork , waving your little tory flag

    It's embarrassing for most people but your ego will never allow yourself to be shafted

    You have been done on here again though

    The best job for you would be to work in PR for conservative central office then you could talk bollocks and get paid for it

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    pipster
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    Carwyn Jones to investigate Gethin bribe.....

    Quote Originally Posted by + the native hipster View Post
    at lest gething knows what a bribe is
    Lol - Welsh Labour have acted swiftly and decisively - they are going to investigate and they have instructed ex Labour Firs Minister Carwyn Jones to do the inquiry.... so absolutely no bias there then

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are such a sycophantic tory boy creep

    Only you could defend this idiot

    And here you are , like clockwork , waving your little tory flag

    It's embarrassing for most people but your ego will never allow yourself to be shafted

    You have been done on here again though

    The best job for you would be to work in PR for conservative central office then you could talk bollocks and get paid for it
    Oh here she is. The yapping dog.

    You know, I've thought about and it I've changed my mind.

    I did think that maybe it was a rhetorical question and that Bob had disingenuously shared a video edited to remove the answer to the question a few seconds after the video cuts.

    But I think he's right. Much more plausible that he's just thick.

    And Diane Abbott with maths? Not confused, just thick

    Sadiq Khan gaffe about antisemitism the other week? Not saying the wrong words...just thick.

    Just call everyone thick. Much easier!

  20. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Oh here she is. The yapping dog.

    You know, I've thought about and it I've changed my mind.

    I did think that maybe it was a rhetorical question and that Bob had disingenuously shared a video edited to remove the answer to the question a few seconds after the video cuts.

    But I think he's right. Much more plausible that he's just thick.

    And Diane Abbott with maths? Not confused, just thick

    Sadiq Khan gaffe about antisemitism the other week? Not saying the wrong words...just thick.

    Just call everyone thick. Much easier!
    You are a complete tory bore

    You are at it again .....what about Diane Abbot ! What about Sadiq Khan ! ......

    You can't help yourself

    If someone told you the snow was white you would say it is but it was whiter under a conservative government

    Don't you feel like an idiot when you are getting your arse handed to you on a plate but twist and deflect like a slippery eel ?

    I was hoping an utter hammering for your entitled lot at the election would shut you up but I think it will be worse

    You write these faux intelligent replies thinking you are speaking to a bunch of politics students but hardly anyone bothers reading them as it's like going to the toilet

    Everyone knows what's coming and a quick flush and it's gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Lol - Welsh Labour have acted swiftly and decisively - they are going to investigate and they have instructed ex Labour Firs Minister Carwyn Jones to do the inquiry.... so absolutely no bias there then
    He's a QC isn't he ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are a complete tory bore

    You are at it again .....what about Diane Abbot ! What about Sadiq Khan ! ......

    You can't help yourself

    If someone told you the snow was white you would say it is but it was whiter under a conservative government

    Don't you feel like an idiot when you are getting your arse handed to you on a plate but twist and deflect like a slippery eel ?

    I was hoping an utter hammering for your entitled lot at the election would shut you up but I think it will be worse

    You write these faux intelligent replies thinking you are speaking to a bunch of politics students but hardly anyone bothers reading them as it's like going to the toilet

    Everyone knows what's coming and a quick flush and it's gone
    I didn't give a faux intelligent reply. I said he clearly gave a rhetorical question as part of his answer.

    Maybe you actually think that he thinks Rwanda and DR Congo are the same country.

    Actually you probably do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I didn't give a faux intelligent reply. I said he clearly gave a rhetorical question as part of his answer.

    Maybe you actually think that he thinks Rwanda and DR Congo are the same country.

    Actually you probably do.
    He's an idiot

    Tosser

    What a clown

    Hopeless

    James Whales joins the party ?

    Well if we look at the bigger picture , my analysis , the labour party blah blah blah


    The difference between those of us who don't vote for the tory filth and you is evident on the Angela Rayner thread

    We all give her the bird because that's what she deserves

    But a tory caught with his pants down watching hardcore porn in a brothel ?

    You would weasel in and find some way of trying to defend him

    You carry on pretending you are nuanced and apolitical but you are only kidding yourself you are as biased towards the Tories as that ponce Gary Barlow from take that

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I didn't give a faux intelligent reply. I said he clearly gave a rhetorical question as part of his answer.

    Maybe you actually think that he thinks Rwanda and DR Congo are the same country.

    Actually you probably do.
    So the questioner

    The panel

    The audience

    Everyone on here

    All wrong

    James Whales , 100 percent tory boy with a record of defending the tory flag , day in day out ....you are right


    What an absolute melt

  25. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    So the questioner

    The panel

    The audience

    Everyone on here

    All wrong

    James Whales , 100 percent tory boy with a record of defending the tory flag , day in day out ....you are right


    What an absolute melt
    Mmm a tasty Sludge word salad to go with the nothing burger that this story is.

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