Another Brexit Bonus !!!

[Hilts]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bo...bills-13125846

Going well isnt it.

[truthpaste]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bo...bills-13125846

Going well isnt it.

Yes, we so need the EU, a nation that ruled a quarter of the world 100 years ago trembles at going alone!
How confidence can plummet in just a few generations

So it's added 0.2% to food inlation. Yet we read 'The overall price of food and non-alcoholic beverages rose around 25% between January 2022 and January 2024'. Which per annum is over 12%. This is more than 60 times higher than 0.2%, proving that in the big picture, the main reasons for massive food inflation have virtually nothing to do with the EU at all.

[Eric Cartman]

Yes, we so need the EU, a nation that ruled a quarter of the world 100 years ago trembles at going alone!
How confidence can plummet in just a few generations

So it's added 0.2% to food inlation. Yet we read 'The overall price of food and non-alcoholic beverages rose around 25% between January 2022 and January 2024'. Which per annum is over 12%. This is more than 60 times higher than 0.2%, proving that in the big picture, the main reasons for massive food inflation have virtually nothing to do with the EU at all.

It's not about 'needing them', it's about what is best for UK people, business and jobs, we have made it more difficult to trade with the countries who are geographically closest to us in favour of some imaginary trade deals with places thousands of miles away.

[truthpaste]

It's not about 'needing them', it's about what is best for UK people, business and jobs, we have made it more difficult to trade with the countries who are geographically closest to us in favour of some imaginary trade deals with places thousands of miles away.

Sure, with us having no experience since 1973 in striking deals outside the membership of the common market and later the EU, we were never going to hit the ground running, a deal with Japan was signed in October 2020. It was the first that differed from the existing EU trade deal.

The Australia deal was the first trade agreement negotiated from scratch by the UK since it left the EU. An agreement with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein was announced in June 2021 and builds on the previous agreement the UK had with these countries. Many other deals including the USA are in the pipeline; so I would agree that while we negotiate the expected turbulence of this current 'season' we have cause for complaint, this transition like childbirth was never going to be pain free.

While a deal with the States is looking no earlier than 2025, we have been told that things are moving forward in certain areas, for example in June 2023, Biden and Sunak announced the 'Atlantic Declaration' to strengthen economic ties between the UK and the US. The agreement included a limited trade pact covering critical minerals needed for EV batteries, a new data protection deal, and easing other trade barriers. The declaration commits both nations to increase research collaboration in future technologies, such as AI, future 5G and 6G telecoms, quantum, semiconductors and engineering biology. Further, these talks led to a commitment in principle to a new UK–US Data Bridge that facilitates the transfer of data by UK businesses to certified U.S. organizations.

[superfeathers]

Sure, with us having no experience since 1973 in striking deals outside the membership of the common market and later the EU, we were never going to hit the ground running, a deal with Japan was signed in October 2020. It was the first that differed from the existing EU trade deal.

The Australia deal was the first trade agreement negotiated from scratch by the UK since it left the EU. An agreement with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein was announced in June 2021 and builds on the previous agreement the UK had with these countries. Many other deals including the USA are in the pipeline; so I would agree that while we negotiate the expected turbulence of this current 'season' we have cause for complaint, this transition like childbirth was never going to be pain free.

While a deal with the States is looking no earlier than 2025, we have been told that things are moving forward in certain areas, for example in June 2023, Biden and Sunak announced the 'Atlantic Declaration' to strengthen economic ties between the UK and the US. The agreement included a limited trade pact covering critical minerals needed for EV batteries, a new data protection deal, and easing other trade barriers. The declaration commits both nations to increase research collaboration in future technologies, such as AI, future 5G and 6G telecoms, quantum, semiconductors and engineering biology. Further, these talks led to a commitment in principle to a new UK–US Data Bridge that facilitates the transfer of data by UK businesses to certified U.S. organizations.

I haven’t looked at this board in ages is this a new wind up account

[truthpaste]

I haven’t looked at this board in ages is this a new wind up account

Ages being over 13 years in this case.

No wind up, it's just that there are some people alive who remember how life was before 1973

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I am surprised a religious person is also anti European and right wing politically

Actually I am not surprised at all , the churches are full of em

It's very odd

If Jesus was a tory I am definitely not joining his gang

[Dave Blue]

I am surprised a religious person is also anti European and right wing politically

Actually I am not surprised at all , the churches are full of em

It's very odd

If Jesus was a tory I am definitely not joining his gang

Well he obviously wasn’t. The Daily Mail would have denounced him as a foreign communist

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Well he obviously wasn’t. The Daily Mail would have denounced him as a foreign communist

It does concern me a lot of church on a Sunday types are tory voters

And Daily Mail readers

[truthpaste]

I am surprised a religious person is also anti European and right wing politically

Actually I am not surprised at all , the churches are full of em

It's very odd

If Jesus was a tory I am definitely not joining his gang

Your comment arrives with the assumption that you know the aims of the Church Worldwide (no one denomination) and the way they are asked to live in each era they may be serving the Lord. Do you? (If so explain what it is).

While Christians will wish to impact their communities for good where they live (or where they are sent), very few will take more than a passing interest in the ever changing world of politics, which is mainly caught up in secular values and interests that sadly now pay little attention to the way God says we should live.
Some (a minority) will be called into politics and will aim to bring Godly values into their work, impacting the sphere in which they are working, locally, nationally or internationally etc

On your last point, Jesus didn't get involved with the rulers of the day, He said 'Give to Caesar that which is Caesars, and to God that which belongs to God' - when He was brought before the rulers, He quoted the Scriptures, in other words He gave us the example of leaning on Godly wisdom, not human wisdom.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Your comment arrives with the assumption that you know the aims of the Church Worldwide (no one denomination) and the way they are asked to live in each era they may be serving the Lord. Do you? (If so explain what it is).

While Christians will wish to impact their communities for good where they live (or where they are sent), very few will take more than a passing interest in the ever changing world of politics, which is mainly caught up in secular values and interests that sadly now pay little attention to the way God says we should live.
Some (a minority) will be called into politics and will aim to bring Godly values into their work, impacting the sphere in which they are working, locally, nationally or internationally etc

On your last point, Jesus didn't get involved with the rulers of the day, He said 'Give to Caesar that which is Caesars, and to God that which belongs to God' - when He was brought before the rulers, He quoted the Scriptures, in other words He gave us the example of leaning on Godly wisdom, not human wisdom.

The people I know who are church goers are almost exclusively active conservatives

I think it's odd that a party that doesn't believe in society and is all about self gets a lot of its followers from Christians who are supposed to be caring and like Jesus

Difficult to square that one

[JamesWales]

The people I know who are church goers are almost exclusively active conservatives

I think it's odd that a party that doesn't believe in society and is all about self gets a lot of its followers from Christians who are supposed to be caring and like Jesus

Difficult to square that one

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[truthpaste]

The people I know who are church goers are almost exclusively active conservatives

I think it's odd that a party that doesn't believe in society and is all about self gets a lot of its followers from Christians who are supposed to be caring and like Jesus

Difficult to square that one

I know Christians from many denominational Churches at home and abroad, and while politics is hardly a key issue, I've not seen them all line up in 'blue' by any means?
And even those who are blue, in what sense do you mean they all somehow don't believe in society?

[The Bloop]

There's no prospect of a UK US trade deal this year. Any negotiations will be after the next elections in both countries, and given the ack of willingness of both Trump and Biden to pursue a deal during the last 7 or 8 years, I can't see it being a priority for whomever wins in November.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I know Christians from many denominational Churches at home and abroad, and while politics is hardly a key issue, I've not seen them all line up in 'blue' by any means?
And even those who are blue, in what sense do you mean they all somehow don't believe in society?

There is no such thing as society , only individuals

Herr Thatcher

[JamesWales]

There is no such thing as society , only individuals

Herr Thatcher

Sludge it's not the 1980s.

I couldn't disagree with that statement of hers more btw. Am a very firm believer in the concept of society but you can't say that Conservatives don't believe in it. That's like saying Labour don't believe in the family. Just nonsense.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Sludge it's not the 1980s.

I couldn't disagree with that statement of hers more btw. Am a very firm believer in the concept of society but you can't say that Conservatives don't believe in it. That's like saying Labour don't believe in the family. Just nonsense.

Yes I can

I try not to socialise with Tories but the ones I have to engage with are very selfish

[Eric Cartman]

There's no prospect of a UK US trade deal this year. Any negotiations will be after the next elections in both countries, and given the ack of willingness of both Trump and Biden to pursue a deal during the last 7 or 8 years, I can't see it being a priority for whomever wins in November.

It's also not some sort of charitable endeavour whoever we are negotiating with. USA has far less motivation to secure a deal with us than we do with them and therefore, it will lean heavily in their favour. Those clamouring for a trade deal with the USA, as some sort of 'see, Brexit works', might not like what we have to give away.

[Hilts]

In Malaga last week. Being a non eu citizen meant I spent more due to fees for non eu citizens in places.

So next year.

https://www-birminghammail-co-uk.cdn...reece-29044460

Thanks Cameron u plank.

[Eric Cartman]

In Malaga last week. Being a non eu citizen meant I spent more due to fees for non eu citizens in places.

So next year.

https://www-birminghammail-co-uk.cdn...reece-29044460

Thanks Cameron u plank.

It's good to see that the age group with the highest Brexit vote percentage gets away with not paying anything.

[jon1959]

It's good to see that the age group with the highest Brexit vote percentage gets away with not paying anything.

Probably true (the 'over 65' band in 2016 voted 60% leave, 40% remain) but the older part of that cohort - the WW2 generation - voted by a majority to remain. Their support for the EU (the peace dividend) was second only to Millennials.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...s-millennials/

[The Bloop]

It's also not some sort of charitable endeavour whoever we are negotiating with. USA has far less motivation to secure a deal with us than we do with them and therefore, it will lean heavily in their favour. Those clamouring for a trade deal with the USA, as some sort of 'see, Brexit works', might not like what we have to give away.

Exactly. Prior to brexit the US (and others) would negotiate with 28 countries and a potential market of 500million people. Now its 2 separate negotiations and we're a small inconvenience in the big scheme of things.

[JamesWales]

In Malaga last week. Being a non eu citizen meant I spent more due to fees for non eu citizens in places.

So next year.

https://www-birminghammail-co-uk.cdn...reece-29044460

Thanks Cameron u plank.

I mean, no one wants to pay £6 for nothing. You can almost get an airport pint for that.

But it lasts upto four years, so that's £1.50 a year and for that it is checked against security logs to perhaps keep people safer?

I mean, it doesn't sound that awful in fairness

[JamesWales]

It's also not some sort of charitable endeavour whoever we are negotiating with. USA has far less motivation to secure a deal with us than we do with them and therefore, it will lean heavily in their favour. Those clamouring for a trade deal with the USA, as some sort of 'see, Brexit works', might not like what we have to give away.

But either you are saying that countries should naturally want to spend time to negotiate deals (to perhaps bespoke it to their own economic or social needs) in which case why wouldn't we want that ourselves..

..or you are saying that free trade deals are so universally positive that no one should ever want to make changes to it..in which case they wouldnt be complex to negotiate?

I'm sure the reality is somewhere in the middle.

[PontBlue]

It's also not some sort of charitable endeavour whoever we are negotiating with. USA has far less motivation to secure a deal with us than we do with them and therefore, it will lean heavily in their favour. Those clamouring for a trade deal with the USA, as some sort of 'see, Brexit works', might not like what we have to give away.

Even deals with countries with much smaller economies have ended up shafting sectors of UK Business. Our Farmers are not happy with our market being flooded by lower quality Australian produce.