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I'm not sarcy, I've read this entire thread, and it's full of people who have real fears and are genuinely worried about the future. But now we discover that with the aid of some mental gymnastics, it is now possible for a specific subset of the general population to absolve themselves of all responsibility and duty of care to others. Not only is this dangerous, it also sets a very bad precident regarding the rule of law.Originally Posted by jeepster
Oh now that you put it that way i now understand,thanx for the heads up
Don't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.Oh now that you put it that way i now understand,thanx for the heads up
The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"
We are all, maybe, guilty of that to some extent.Don't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.
The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"
Whilst recognising that it is right that people should be allowed to demonstrate for the Black Lives Matter movement, it would be hypocritical to say that people shouldn't be allowed to demonstrate for getting a haircut.
But, that is ignoring the context. No-one will die from long hair, black people have been dying for hundreds of years simply for being black.
I support the cause, but perhaps not the protests. What I am saying is flawed (slippery slope fallacy) but in the case of a spike in new cases it will be all too easy for Governments around the world to point a finger of blame at the protests.
My Social Media pages have been flooded with photos of looters (always black) and words like "Look at their pain and grief for George Floyd". Simple Google images put these images from anywhere between 2010 and 2019. It's very easy to turn lies into fact with simple memes, I just hope that the cause isn't relegated to a debate about social irresponsibility from people protesting - with the movement being blamed for spikes in new cases (in a backdrop where countries are easing lockdowns)
He said I was "silly" for calling him a hypocrite yesterday - this is exactly the sort of thing I had in my mind when I said it. This time last year, he and others who are always banging on about global, neoliberal conspiracies were lauding those who they saw as freedom fighters taking part in the yellow vest protests, now, because it suits his trumps (pun intended) everything else obsession, he comes at things from a completely different direction - this is not me comparing the merits or otherwise of the different protests, it's me just pointing out Gluey's clear hypocrisy.Don't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.
The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"
There's always a quote!
The dude was a bad geezer and they took him out because he was planning more bad stuff. Why are you even trying to make a case for him and Iran? They beat the shit out of any protesters over there and lock them up. Free the Iranians!
Another "strong man" leader showing he is anything else but that;-
"Here is a further update from Reuters on Brazil, which has removed from public view months of data on its Covid-19 epidemic.
The health ministry in Brazil - which has the world’s second-largest coronavirus outbreak - removed the data from a website that had documented the epidemic over time and by state and municipality.
The ministry also stopped giving a total count of confirmed cases, which have shot past 672,000, more than anywhere outside the United States, or a total death toll, which passed Italy this week, nearing 36,000 by Saturday.
“The cumulative data ... does not reflect the moment the country is in,” Bolsonaro said on Twitter, citing a note from the ministry. “Other actions are underway to improve the reporting of cases and confirmation of diagnoses.”
Bolsonaro has played down the dangers of the pandemic, replaced medical experts in the health ministry with military officials and argued against state lockdowns to fight the virus, hobbling the country’s public health response. Neither Bolsonaro nor the ministry gave a reason for erasing most of the data on the covid.saude.gov.br website, which had been a key public resource for tracking the pandemic."
Nowhere have I stated that a random self-appointed subset of the population should be allowed to take it upon themselves to break established social distancing rules in an uncontrolled manner. You're just being a "silly"ass if you think the rule of law can be bypassed on ideological grounds if it suits your own specific agenda. You need to have agreed rules that everybody follows which take into account the situation of every person, and not play Russian roulette with peoples lives in a lawless fashion.
Why do you think I said I wasn't posting about the rights and wrongs of the protests but about your hypocrisy?
Why do you consider solutions to problems to be hypocrisy? The economy is in freefall and some corretive action needs to be taken. You sound like a Welsh version of Kim Jong Un.
I was trying to be scarcastic to himDon't fall for it. From what I have seen quoted, he was fine when white people (who were armed to the teeth) were out en masse, protesting about needing a haircut and threatening the lives of the liberal governers outside their office buildings. He's also fine with police brutality and will seek to dismiss what's happened or defend the officers.
The 'rule of law' for Wales Bales means "the rules that I want to be the law"
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