This government is a complete shambles

[the other bob wilson]

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Don't you mean that the majority of tracing has been done by public sector workers Bob?

Yes I did, sorry about that, but I notice you did not comment on what else I said - I think it was something like 15,000 out of almost 114,000 in the latest figures that were traced by the 25,000 new recruits.

The impression given, which seems a fair one to me, is of a Government obsessed by targets, but with little in place to co-ordinate things efficiently once they are reached.

[lisvaneblue]

Yes I did, sorry about that, but I notice you did not comment on what else I said - I think it was something like 15,000 out of almost 114,000 in the latest figures that were traced by the 25,000 new recruits.

The impression given, which seems a fair one to me, is of a Government obsessed by targets, but with little in place to co-ordinate things efficiently once they are reached.

I see PHE is getting the flack for much of what has gone wrong with tracking& tracing, including the farce of developing an app from scratch.

A surprise to me but apparently the Government has no authority over the independence of Public Health England.

Meanwhile at home, the Senedd has asked Ryanair to postpone its Cardiff flight(s) to Faro and Malaga on Friday as Wales still has 5 mile travel guidance in place, and travellers will have to quarantine for 14 days on return as that's the rules in Wales.

So two days before the flight from a WAG owned airport the Senedd jumps into action.

[Vindec]

What amazes me with people like Sludge (and there are others) is how one dimensional their thinking is. They simply can't accept that Labour can do anything wrong. Instead people on here are treated like something on the bottom of their shoe and you only have to vote Tory a few times and you are Tory scum. For the record Labour's report on the election defeat was clear but some just simply can't accept why people voted Tory even though the Labour hierarchy seemed to. The reasons were:

1. The unpopularity of Corbyn
2. Confused Brexit policy (so elected the architect as their new Leader)
3.Unrealistic manifesto and:
4.Disorganised national campaign.

Here's the link from the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lection-defeat

Of course Sludge and some others ignore all this and revert to statements such as how could the electorate vote Tory and it's the electorate's fault. He dismisses people who voted Tory and keeps saying the BBC's political editor is a Tory. I didn't realise that especially as Kuensberg required a bodyguard at the 2017 Tory conference for her perceived anti Tory views. She did criticise Corbyn but was not alone and was even defended by Yvette Cooper.

The evidence is clear from the Labour Party itself. So let's stop the name calling and just let people vote how they vote without criticising individuals for their decisions.

I could vote Labour again but will have to see how things will pan out over the next 4 years. Starmer's made a good start even though I thought he was a bad choice.

Like some other Tory voters on here I am not locked into one political party but vote for a party on their policies. As for the last election I simply could not vote for any party led by Corbyn, Abbot and McDonald with Momentum lurking in the background.

[the other bob wilson]

I see PHE is getting the flack for much of what has gone wrong with tracking& tracing, including the farce of developing an app from scratch.

A surprise to me but apparently the Government has no authority over the independence of Public Health England.

Meanwhile at home, the Senedd has asked Ryanair to postpone its Cardiff flight(s) to Faro and Malaga on Friday as Wales still has 5 mile travel guidance in place, and travellers will have to quarantine for 14 days on return as that's the rules in Wales.

So two days before the flight from a WAG owned airport the Senedd jumps into action.

That's pretty small beer compared to what Panorama was talking about though isn't it. This thread has just become the usual tory v labour stuff with those taking an anti labour position ignoring the findings of the Programme.

[lisvaneblue]

That's pretty small beer compared to what Panorama was talking about though isn't it. This thread has just become the usual tory v labour stuff with those taking an anti labour position ignoring the findings of the Programme.

I haven't seen the programme yet

[lisvaneblue]

That's pretty small beer compared to what Panorama was talking about though isn't it. This thread has just become the usual tory v labour stuff with those taking an anti labour position ignoring the findings of the Programme.

Ive now watch the programme and thought it the usual biased tripe served up by the BBC. The programme slammed the government for poor tracing and tracking but this is the responsibility of an autonomous quango Public health England.

The government can tell it what to do but not how....so all the downsides about our poor tracking and tracing, how it was done, where it was done, who saw the reports, who did the testing was down to PHE.

In my opinion PHE should be scrapped, they've spent years telling the public to avoid obesity whilst getting fat themselves. They are just about to build a new HQ in Harlow!

As for Weston hospital what a load of rubbish. OK PHE offered poor tracing but this hospital had one floor devoted to Covid patients and another floor to non-covid patients and the junior doctors looking after each floor were rotated every week. You couldn't make it up!!! Of course this was not reported in the Panorama programme