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Im all for them having their own bars. Dont have to watch them mincing about and screeching when trying to watch the football down my local.
He lives in fantasy land that one.Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Oh ok. Should work itself out. Ok then.
No need to advertise for what a company needs as some bloke on the internet said it will all work out
Should always be the best man for the job. Unfortunately this lot need to hit a certain quota..imagine going for a job, being the beat candidate, and missing out because you're not an ethnic minority...sometimes it's just best to advertise for what they need...
What do you mean, statistically it should work itself out. If you're always employing the best person for the job it should accurately reflect the sociology of the society.Oh ok. Should work itself out. Ok then.
No need to advertise for what a company needs as some bloke on the internet said it will all work out
Should always be the best man for the job. Unfortunately this lot need to hit a certain quota..imagine going for a job, being the beat candidate, and missing out because you're not an ethnic minority...sometimes it's just best to advertise for what they need...
I agree the company doesn't need to advertise, I'm saying I think that application is stupid.
10000 go for 100 jobs.
What if the top 100 are all white. How do they hit a quota then?
I don't think it's right they can advertise like this, as there would be uproar if it was whites only, but seeing as most of the people working there are likely white.. they are just asking for what they need to please the pc brigade.
Pleasing the pc brigade
I say fack em
Statisticaly 98 out of 100 should be white.
The quotas aren't there to be met, or at least they shouldn't be, they should just be used so everyone gets a fair chance at the interview stage because historically that hasn't happened.
It isn't just to do with skin colour though, women are definitely under represented in a lot of sectors too.
It isn't to please the PC brigade though, its to make sure everyone gets a fair chance Because they weren't getting that based on their sex or their race.
Too many people taking everything the right wing media takes as gospel and getting taken in by the fear mongering.
But its not though is it
Yes it is, how many companies have you worked in where any minority is over represented?
My last uk office was in central London and there were 2 black guys in an office of hundreds.
The way people are going on it's like white people are being squeezed out when they aren't. The best people are still being employed and always will be.
Thank **** for that. We might have something that slightly resembles a football forum without all the shit "look at me,me,me" threads you start.
Flouncing because people dont agree with you.
Shut the door on your way out you drama queen.
From that advert they are not being squeezed out, they are not even being let in
It could be a one off but yeah I think it's ridiculous to put out an advert like that.
No one is forcing you to open the threads snowflake, you could just ignore them if they don't interest you. That's what I do with your posts and it works for me.
Clearly
[QUOTE=Croesy Blue;4811700]Yes it is, how many companies have you worked in where any minority is over represented?
My last uk office was in central London and there were 2 black guys in an office of hundreds.
The way people are going on it's like white people are being squeezed out when they aren't. The best people are still being employed and always will be.
well "2 black guys" is represented for every 100 employees is about right
so you don't agree the best man/person gets the job
the point I am making the ad for the job is totally out of order
it would be totally out of order if it just asked for white people
I am the only non English Male here in my work environment (I am in Kent)
I got the job because I was the best person to fill the post (not because there wasn't any taffs working here...im the only one)
by your rational there should be more of us here
I have interviewed people for jobs here
gender, ethnicity , sexual persuasion have never been a factor in who I give the job too
im certainly not giving a job purely for tokenism
that would be unfair on the person who should get the job in the first place
surely it would
Thats the first and this the last response you'll get from me. Someone clearly as thick as you isn't worth the time 👋
[QUOTE=I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS;4811718]I think we are basically in complete agreement tbh. I think the problem is not everyone was as open as you when hiring people so quotas were brought in to try and give everyone a fair shot when that hasn't always happened.Yes it is, how many companies have you worked in where any minority is over represented?
My last uk office was in central London and there were 2 black guys in an office of hundreds.
The way people are going on it's like white people are being squeezed out when they aren't. The best people are still being employed and always will be.
well "2 black guys" is represented for every 100 employees is about right
so you don't agree the best man/person gets the job
the point I am making the ad for the job is totally out of order
it would be totally out of order if it just asked for white people
I am the only non English Male here in my work environment (I am in Kent)
I got the job because I was the best person to fill the post (not because there wasn't any taffs working here...im the only one)
by your rational there should be more of us here
I have interviewed people for jobs here
gender, ethnicity , sexual persuasion have never been a factor in who I give the job too
im certainly not giving a job purely for tokenism
that would be unfair on the person who should get the job in the first place
surely it would
The best person for the job should always be the one who gets it.
It seems to be a BBC policy to target trainee posts at under-represented communities. The usual tabloids got their union jack knickers in a twist about this 18 months ago - and the BBC set out its stance then. Doesn't appear to have changed if the advert is genuine:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36443113
It is an ethical and legal minefield, but I don't mind what they're doing if it is just selected trainee positions - provided that anyone can apply for proper jobs. Even then I am happy with ensuring a range of applicants are shortlisted as long as the appointment criteria apply equally to all candidates.
I might take more notice of the criticism if the opponents of this were equally worried about historic discrimination perpetuated through recruitment in the recruiters own likeness, the leg up predominantly white middle class kids get through internships (connections and money needed to start career) and any other hurdles and abuses in the labour market.
[QUOTE=Croesy Blue;4811722]
so maybe the idea of quotas are the problem crosey
because they can be exploited mate
98 percent of the working population white is It? I honestly wouldn't know.
Agree with the rest.
Hmmmm what about if you are " gender neutral "I do like the " officially " matt
well ive noticed a class preference with the bbc
as opposed to ethnicity
it makes you laugh don't it
what ever happened to
"best man/woman for the job"
"work hard and you will be rewarded"
seriously though, back in the old days we know that we used to discriminate against ethnic minorities, we appear to have gone full circle now
best person for the job is the way it should be, the more people who challenge the situation we are in now, the quicker the balance will readdress itself, if we pander to the situation it will only get worse
I think about 90% of the uk is white, I know in my industry it's around that. Would be shocked if its different in many sectors but I can't find anything on the ONS about it.
Not just the BBC, the Police are at it aswell
[QUOTE=Croesy Blue;4811722]so maybe the idea of quotas are the problem crosey
because they can be exploited mate
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