The ticking time bomb of social care

[David Vincent]

No one chooses to be sexually abused making them leave home and turn to drugs to escape the pain either

Jesus ****ing christ I am talking to ****ing idiots

Oh my God, and I thought you’d already reached peak gullibility. Who raped her? The uncle or the stepfather. It was the uncle originally. Why wasn’t the relative, or relatives if they were both raping her, made to leave the home and go straight to prison. You say the social services put her in care and you also say she left home herself. Which is it? If she was trying to "escape the pain" of memories of having sex with these men why would she choose a career involving sex with countless other perverts. You’d think that would be the last thing she wanted.

Let me give you an a more believable scenario. The mother was unable to control her and asked social services to look after her because she was out every night with a druggie band of scumbags and pimps.

Try a little experiment when you next meet one of these druggie beggars on the street. Tell them that you are absolutely skint and you have just heard that your mother is dying in an old folks home in Porthcawl and you need £10 to get there. Tell them that they are your last hope. Beg them for the money. They are probably sitting on a £100 donated by people like you.This is the response you’d get : "F off you B or I’ll set the dog on you". They have no pity for anyone but themselves. Don’t fall for their hard luck tales.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Oh my God, and I thought you’d already reached peak gullibility. Who raped her? The uncle or the stepfather. It was the uncle originally. Why wasn’t the relative, or relatives if they were both raping her, made to leave the home and go straight to prison. You say the social services put her in care and you also say she left home herself. Which is it? If she was trying to "escape the pain" of memories of having sex with these men why would she choose a career involving sex with countless other perverts. You’d think that would be the last thing she wanted.

Let me give you an a more believable scenario. The mother was unable to control her and asked social services to look after her because she was out every night with a druggie band of scumbags and pimps.

Try a little experiment when you next meet one of these druggie beggars on the street. Tell them that you are absolutely skint and you have just heard that your mother is dying in an old folks home in Porthcawl and you need £10 to get there. Tell them that they are your last hope. Beg them for the money. They are probably sitting on a £100 donated by people like you.This is the response you’d get : "F off you B or I’ll set the dog on you". They have no pity for anyone but themselves. Don’t fall for their hard luck tales.

The fact is in Cardiff , even tonight , a young girl is probably being abused by her father or step father or an uncle .......most sexual abuse takes place in the home by a relative

The reason said relative is not chucked out of the house or arrested by the police is that sex offenders are very manipulative and either threaten the young girl with violence to keep quiet or make her believe that she won't be believed if she tells anyone

She starts spending more and more time away from her house , scared of what's going to happen to her ......shes going to be abused for ****s sake ......or beaten .......and has nowhere to go

So she starts hanging around with the wrong crowd who introduce her to drugs , maybe just cannabis at first

Eventually she flees home and manages to get sub standard bedsit housing with a dodgy landlord who sometimes will have sex with her in return for some dope

Soon she gets a hit of cheap heroin and before you know it she's using it daily to escape the horror of her sexual abuse

And in no time she is addicted to the stuff and the only way to fund her habit is to steal or go on the game

This is the reality that the police , social services , the drug agencies and those who provide move on accommodation to these young people deal with every day

These people are not " druggies " , they have had awful upbringings ........and we are not talking about living on a tough estate or getting a belt off your old man for coming home late

These people are human beings with stories behind their addictions and they require help and support

A minority don't want it and they along with the dealers need locking up

You display an amazing lack of knowledge about what's going on and the easy spiral into addiction

I want my old dear to get good care but that should be in addition to other social care , including help for , as you call them , druggies

[B. Oddie]

The fact is in Cardiff , even tonight , a young girl is probably being abused by her father or step father or an uncle .......most sexual abuse takes place in the home by a relative

The reason said relative is not chucked out of the house or arrested by the police is that sex offenders are very manipulative and either threaten the young girl with violence to keep quiet or make her believe that she won't be believed if she tells anyone

She starts spending more and more time away from her house , scared of what's going to happen to her ......shes going to be abused for ****s sake ......or beaten .......and has nowhere to go

So she starts hanging around with the wrong crowd who introduce her to drugs , maybe just cannabis at first

Eventually she flees home and manages to get sub standard bedsit housing with a dodgy landlord who sometimes will have sex with her in return for some dope

Soon she gets a hit of cheap heroin and before you know it she's using it daily to escape the horror of her sexual abuse

And in no time she is addicted to the stuff and the only way to fund her habit is to steal or go on the game

This is the reality that the police , social services , the drug agencies and those who provide move on accommodation to these young people deal with every day

These people are not " druggies " , they have had awful upbringings ........and we are not talking about living on a tough estate or getting a belt off your old man for coming home late

These people are human beings with stories behind their addictions and they require help and support

A minority don't want it and they along with the dealers need locking up

You display an amazing lack of knowledge about what's going on and the easy spiral into addiction

I want my old dear to get good care but that should be in addition to other social care , including help for , as you call them , druggies

Good post, Sludge.

When people see people begging on the streets, they don't see the little boy that used to climb trees, or a little girl playing with dolls.

The social problems within this country is unbelievable.

[David Vincent]

The fact is in Cardiff , even tonight , a young girl is probably being abused by her father or step father or an uncle .......most sexual abuse takes place in the home by a relative

The reason said relative is not chucked out of the house or arrested by the police is that sex offenders are very manipulative and either threaten the young girl with violence to keep quiet or make her believe that she won't be believed if she tells anyone

She starts spending more and more time away from her house , scared of what's going to happen to her ......shes going to be abused for ****s sake ......or beaten .......and has nowhere to go

So she starts hanging around with the wrong crowd who introduce her to drugs , maybe just cannabis at first

Eventually she flees home and manages to get sub standard bedsit housing with a dodgy landlord who sometimes will have sex with her in return for some dope

Soon she gets a hit of cheap heroin and before you know it she's using it daily to escape the horror of her sexual abuse

And in no time she is addicted to the stuff and the only way to fund her habit is to steal or go on the game

This is the reality that the police , social services , the drug agencies and those who provide move on accommodation to these young people deal with every day

These people are not " druggies " , they have had awful upbringings ........and we are not talking about living on a tough estate or getting a belt off your old man for coming home late

These people are human beings with stories behind their addictions and they require help and support

A minority don't want it and they along with the dealers need locking up

You display an amazing lack of knowledge about what's going on and the easy spiral into addiction

I want my old dear to get good care but that should be in addition to other social care , including help for , as you call them , druggies

There is probably a case like that but how typical is she? There are probably 500 opiate addicts in Cardiff. That’s a rough estimate based that on national levels and the population of Cardiff. But how many of those 500 fit your case? That is, they are female AND they have been abused by a relative or stepdad AND they couldn’t tell the police AND they had to leave home because of the abuse AND they lived on the streets AND they took drugs to block the memory of the abuse AND they turned to prostitution to pay for the drugs. The answer that they probably form a small percentage of cases out of the 500 cases.

Two thirds of junkies are male so if sex abuse is a big cause of drug abuse then are you saying that most of these men have been sexually abused by family members?

If I was a homeless young women looking for accommodation from the council I would need to prepare a story for why I am more deserving than any of the others after the same accommodation. You understand that housing is a limited resource but you don’t seem to think the same about health care. The person with the saddest story gets the accommodation. Can you think of any useful sad stories? How about a very sad story involving a girl living among animals who had to flee her home because of an evil relative? Do you know any stories like that? Yes, you’ve got it. Snow White. No one gets more pity than Snow White. A junkie will say anything to get what they want.

I can just see Eric the half Bee reading this and thinking let’s ban this heartless idiot. "You are like a wasp at a picnic". Well done William That was funny. Poor Eric would have laughed at that once. I remember his funny stories. But, like all of us, he has grown old and sad.

Sludge, because I think money on druggies is wasted it doesn’t mean I want to pay less taxes or I am selfish. It is just that I want the money spent on these selfish zombies to be spent on sick children and others who are sick through no fault of their own. Money given to one means less given to the other. You don’t seem to understand that.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

There is probably a case like that but how typical is she? There are probably 500 opiate addicts in Cardiff. That’s a rough estimate based that on national levels and the population of Cardiff. But how many of those 500 fit your case? That is, they are female AND they have been abused by a relative or stepdad AND they couldn’t tell the police AND they had to leave home because of the abuse AND they lived on the streets AND they took drugs to block the memory of the abuse AND they turned to prostitution to pay for the drugs. The answer that they probably form a small percentage of cases out of the 500 cases.

Two thirds of junkies are male so if sex abuse is a big cause of drug abuse then are you saying that most of these men have been sexually abused by family members?

If I was a homeless young women looking for accommodation from the council I would need to prepare a story for why I am more deserving than any of the others after the same accommodation. You understand that housing is a limited resource but you don’t seem to think the same about health care. The person with the saddest story gets the accommodation. Can you think of any useful sad stories? How about a very sad story involving a girl living among animals who had to flee her home because of an evil relative? Do you know any stories like that? Yes, you’ve got it. Snow White. No one gets more pity than Snow White. A junkie will say anything to get what they want.

I can just see Eric the half Bee reading this and thinking let’s ban this heartless idiot. "You are like a wasp at a picnic". Well done William That was funny. Poor Eric would have laughed at that once. I remember his funny stories. But, like all of us, he has grown old and sad.

Sludge, because I think money on druggies is wasted it doesn’t mean I want to pay less taxes or I am selfish. It is just that I want the money spent on these selfish zombies to be spent on sick children and others who are sick through no fault of their own. Money given to one means less given to the other. You don’t seem to understand that.

Why don't you get yourself involved with homeless charities and find out? You're hiding behind what you think is right, but it isn't.

PS I have grown old. I have grown sad at reading the sort of heartless bullshit you post. But as long as it makes sense to you, keep wanking on.

[David Vincent]

Why don't you get yourself involved with homeless charities and find out? You're hiding behind what you think is right, but it isn't.

PS I have grown old. I have grown sad at reading the sort of heartless bullshit you post. But as long as it makes sense to you, keep wanking on.

Oh, I see. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a wanker. "You are hiding behind what you think is right". Perhaps there is a universe in which that makes sense, but I don't live in it.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Oh my God, and I thought you’d already reached peak gullibility. Who raped her? The uncle or the stepfather. It was the uncle originally. Why wasn’t the relative, or relatives if they were both raping her, made to leave the home and go straight to prison. You say the social services put her in care and you also say she left home herself. Which is it? If she was trying to "escape the pain" of memories of having sex with these men why would she choose a career involving sex with countless other perverts. You’d think that would be the last thing she wanted.

Let me give you an a more believable scenario. The mother was unable to control her and asked social services to look after her because she was out every night with a druggie band of scumbags and pimps.

Try a little experiment when you next meet one of these druggie beggars on the street. Tell them that you are absolutely skint and you have just heard that your mother is dying in an old folks home in Porthcawl and you need £10 to get there. Tell them that they are your last hope. Beg them for the money. They are probably sitting on a £100 donated by people like you.This is the response you’d get : "F off you B or I’ll set the dog on you". They have no pity for anyone but themselves. Don’t fall for their hard luck tales.

Sadly I spent a minute reading this drivel that not one expert on homelessness or prostitution would agree with, but as long as you're happy in your own bubble, as far removed from society as it is, then I'm glad you're happy. The rest of us have, what we call, the real world.