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[J R Hartley]

I dont care wether you try to justify yourself or not , you are hypocrite , calling out junkies when you have used illegal substances yourself in the past .

13 steps programme is what you need

Yep, and Ill continue to call them out if you / they keep blaming everyone but themselves for their choices.

[Tuerto]

Yep, and Ill continue to call them out if you / they keep blaming everyone but themselves for their choices.

I don't think they do. Unless you've got a load of evidence to back that claim up. It's a difficult subject, not a one size fits all type of thing. What i reckon we'll find is that those at the bottom of the social ladder will suffer more, while those with a decent lifestyle, job, housing and support network can function with addiction much better. We all make mistakes, sometimes it's for a reason, other times it's not. One thing for sure though is that if there's sufficient support and willingness around that person they have a much better chance of recovery. You've done it yourself, well done, must be difficult at times. Not everyone is you though.

[Croesy Blue]

I don't think they do. Unless you've got a load of evidence to back that claim up. It's a difficult subject, not a one size fits all type of thing. What i reckon we'll find is that those at the bottom of the social ladder will suffer more, while those with a decent lifestyle, job, housing and support network can function with addiction much better. We all make mistakes, sometimes it's for a reason, other times it's not. One thing for sure though is that if there's sufficient support and willingness around that person they have a much better chance of recovery. You've done it yourself, well done, must be difficult at times. Not everyone is you though.

[J R Hartley]

I don't think they do. Unless you've got a load of evidence to back that claim up. It's a difficult subject, not a one size fits all type of thing. What i reckon we'll find is that those at the bottom of the social ladder will suffer more, while those with a decent lifestyle, job, housing and support network can function with addiction much better. We all make mistakes, sometimes it's for a reason, other times it's not. One thing for sure though is that if there's sufficient support and willingness around that person they have a much better chance of recovery. You've done it yourself, well done, must be difficult at times. Not everyone is you though.

And not everyone has these horrific back stories that Sludge likes to imply when excusing them of their actions.

[Croesy Blue]

And not everyone has these horrific back stories that Sludge likes to imply when excusing them of their actions.

Do you think you get many people doing this sort of thing who haven't had a troubled upbringing or problems with addicion though?

I'm sure it does happen and there are some people who are genuine arse holes, but I would say in the most part someone doing something like this often has something wrong mental health wise.

[J R Hartley]

Do you think you get many people doing this sort of thing who haven't had a troubled upbringing or problems with addicion though?

I'm sure it does happen and there are some people who are genuine arse holes, but I would say in the most part someone doing something like this often has something wrong mental health wise.

What sort of thing? Taking drugs and commiting crime to fund their habit?

[Croesy Blue]

What sort of thing? Taking drugs and commiting crime to fund their habit?

Yeah

Do you think many middle class kids who grew up with a good family are doing this? I'm sure it does happen but I'd bet in the majority the people doing this sort of thing haven't had the best upbringing or a good support network to help them deal with things.

[J R Hartley]

Yeah

Do you think many middle class kids who grew up with a good family are doing this? I'm sure it does happen but I'd bet in the majority the people doing this sort of thing haven't had the best upbringing or a good support network to help them deal with things.

Yes, of course there are middle class people who are doing it. Obviously it effects poor areas more but you cant just keep using that as an excuse. Plenty of people from poor areas manage to make something of their lives.

I come from a council estate, do I use my background as an excuse for my issues? No.

So whats your answer? We just excuse them of all their criminal behaviour because they didnt have the best start to life? Dont make them take responsibility for their actions?

[Tuerto]

And not everyone has these horrific back stories that Sludge likes to imply when excusing them of their actions.

Ofcourse not, but why would that matter? If a person is caught up in addiction and it is ruining their life and the lives of their kids, missus, mum, dad etc, then don't you think that as a society we have an obligation to them, a duty of care not just for the individual but society as a whole-Isn't that the kind of society where you would like to live?

[J R Hartley]

Ofcourse not, but why would that matter? If a person is caught up in addiction and it is ruining their life and the lives of their kids, missus, mum, dad etc, then don't you think that as a society we have an obligation to them, a duty of care not just for the individual but society as a whole-Isn't that the kind of society where you would like to live?

Utopia doesnt exist

[Tuerto]

Utopia doesnt exist

Caring for people and supporting them is hardly Utopian. **** me, it's a bit concerning to find that you see those traits as idealistic.

[J R Hartley]

Caring for people and supporting them is hardly Utopian. **** me, it's a bit concerning to find that you see those traits as idealistic.

I do my bit. Contribute to food banks, charities, look after the old girl next door.

Im sorry that my compassion doesnt extend to people who would rob your eyes if you werent looking.