English born Welsh players

[City123]

My thoughts on this are (very) well documented.

If a player isn't good enough to be picked for His own country, then why would he / should he, take the place of a Welsh player in their national team.

Obviously, Williams and Vokes would love to play for England, but were not good enough, so (some might say) selfishly play for Wales.

And have selfishly provided thousands of Welsh men and women with some of the greatest moments in Welsh football history

[G rangetown Blue]

And have selfishly provided thousands of Welsh men and women with some of the greatest moments in Welsh football history

With more than a little help from some proper Welshmen!

[City123]

With more than a little help from some proper Welshmen!

Oh, your point on Vokes is completely invalid by the way, he played for Wales' Under 21s at 17, an age where he would still have had chances to play for England at any level, he instead committed to Wales and has showed a lot more commitment than a lot of "proper Welshman" (a certain Mr.Giggs springs to mind)

Williams has admitted to supporting England when he was a kid and of course he did, but now he seems himself as fully Welsh and has raised his children as such, nationality is more than whichever hospital you happen to have been born in

[Rhiw-Blue]

The essence of international football SHOULD be about determining which country has the greatest depth of talent at any point in time and not who can convince players to pull on their shirt because of a tenuous link.
The rules are wrong not the countries exploiting it.
If Germany (for example!!) win a World Cup with 11 foreigners in their squad doesn't it cheapen the achievement, what has it proved?
I just don't see the point in international football with the way the rules are openly exploited

[G rangetown Blue]

Oh, your point on Vokes is completely invalid by the way, he played for Wales' Under 21s at 17, an age where he would still have had chances to play for England at any level, he instead committed to Wales and has showed a lot more commitment than a lot of "proper Welshman" (a certain Mr.Giggs springs to mind)

Williams has admitted to supporting England when he was a kid and of course he did, but now he seems himself as fully Welsh and has raised his children as such, nationality is more than whichever hospital you happen to have been born in

I said they would obviously rather play for England. Surely you're not doubting that?

They are denying Welsh players (some who only qualify for Wales) a cap for their country, it's not right however you want to dress it up.

Ryan Giggs played every meaningful game for Wales he could. He is the most decorated Welsh player in history, one of the most decorated in the whole World, and managed his career perfectly. The fact that he never showed up for some dead rubber games, or money making friedlies was probably instigated by the MUFC management, and they were probably right.

[City123]

I said they would obviously rather play for England. Surely you're not doubting that?

They are denying Welsh players (some who only qualify for Wales) a cap for their country, it's not right however you want to dress it up.

Ryan Giggs played every meaningful game for Wales he could. He is the most decorated Welsh player in history, one of the most decorated in the whole World, and managed his career perfectly. The fact that he never showed up for some dead rubber games, or money making friedlies was probably instigated by the MUFC management, and they were probably right.

Surely a "proper Welshman" would jump at the chance to represent his country at every opportunity?

[G rangetown Blue]

Surely a "proper Welshman" would jump at the chance to represent his country at every opportunity?

He did, when he was given the opportunity. Sir Alex picked his games for him unfortunately.

[City123]

He did, when he was given the opportunity. Sir Alex picked his games for him unfortunately.

If he was that passionate about Wales he would have played regardless of his club manager's opinions