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    Re: 307 mass shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Sapiens : A Brief History of Humankind is also a good book, as it goes right back to the very beggining of human development, and it explains how humans are more likely to believe in fairytales than the cold hard truth. Rulers and politians have been using this knowledge against us for thousands of years.

    While we may like to think we are smart because we can now see religion for what it is, the reality is they have developed a whole new bag of tricks which can be used to manipulate us and keep us in line. With the advent of TV, radio and the mass media, religion soon became superfluous to requirements as far more effective methods of control came in being. Religion was also expensive to run, and the clergy wanted a slice of the pie too. They still control huge assets which was payment for keeping the population under surveillance and teaching them how to think and behave, but as an organisation they are pretty much finished.

    BTW who do you think it was that first put these ideas into our heads that religion was a load of old tosh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Sapiens : A Brief History of Humankind is also a good book, as it goes right back to the very beggining of human development, and it explains how humans are more likely to believe in fairytales than the cold hard truth. Rulers and politians have been using this knowledge against us for thousands of years.

    While we may like to think we are smart because we can now see religion for what it is, the reality is they have developed a whole new bag of tricks which can be used to manipulate us and keep us in line. With the advent of TV, radio and the mass media, religion soon became superfluous to requirements as far more effective methods of control came in being. Religion was also expensive to run, and the clergy wanted a slice of the pie too. They still control huge assets which was payment for keeping the population under surveillance and teaching them how to think and behave, but as an organisation they are pretty much finished.

    BTW who do you think it was that first put these ideas into our heads that religion was a load of old tosh?
    I just had a quick peruse of this review from the guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...al-noah-harari
    that actually looks very interesting Bales Thank you mate
    thats going on my Christmas list

    your question has kind of stumped me with it being so philosophical
    but for me personally it was
    my earliest possible memory would be when I was 6 years of age
    I had a cream coloured Labrador dog named Sandy.
    One winter on a walk over the woods in the snow he ran across the ice on the river the ice broke and he went under and got trapped
    firemen even waded in on with a rope attached to them to bring him out gave him the kiss the life
    as I prayed for Sandy to be alright , he wasn't he died
    then I got slightly older 8 or 9 maybe
    and I possibly just did not buy it and religious people always came across as untrustworthy cruel hypocrites I don't think it was an individual or a group of of people generally , something instinctively felt it was a form of control "do this or you will be hurt"
    my fathers side of the family my Grandfathers funeral service was last year was a humanist service
    my mothers parents they was in a church with mass (optional)
    Maybe media,tv ect has had an impact or maybe as you get a bit older you read more literature, get information I don't know,
    Wasn't karl Marx that quoted something about religion being the opium to the people (I'm not sure on the exact quote)

    what about you mate ?

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    Re: 307 mass shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS View Post
    I just had a quick peruse of this review from the guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...al-noah-harari
    that actually looks very interesting Bales Thank you mate
    thats going on my Christmas list

    your question has kind of stumped me with it being so philosophical
    but for me personally it was
    my earliest possible memory would be when I was 6 years of age
    I had a cream coloured Labrador dog named Sandy.
    One winter on a walk over the woods in the snow he ran across the ice on the river the ice broke and he went under and got trapped
    firemen even waded in on with a rope attached to them to bring him out gave him the kiss the life
    as I prayed for Sandy to be alright , he wasn't he died
    then I got slightly older 8 or 9 maybe
    and I possibly just did not buy it and religious people always came across as untrustworthy cruel hypocrites I don't think it was an individual or a group of of people generally , something instinctively felt it was a form of control "do this or you will be hurt"
    my fathers side of the family my Grandfathers funeral service was last year was a humanist service
    my mothers parents they was in a church with mass (optional)
    Maybe media,tv ect has had an impact or maybe as you get a bit older you read more literature, get information I don't know,
    Wasn't karl Marx that quoted something about religion being the opium to the people (I'm not sure on the exact quote)

    what about you mate ?
    I think the answer is in the above mentioned book. You can make people believe absolutely anything if you know how. It worked for around 2,000 years regarding religion, but I'm guessing that with the advent TV, radio & media, religion was allowed or even encouraged to die, as it had already served it's purpose. There is also the socialist/communist subversive element which included the destruction of religion as a core doctrine, but by this time the Tavistock Institute and others like Edward Bernays had already worked out how to replace it.

    Once you know the rules of the game the role of slogans, repeat messaging, news by ommision, nudge units, propaganda, misinformation/disinformation, conformation bias, bogeymen, etc, becomes very clear. We are like putty in the hand for those who have agendas and big ideas to implement

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    Re: 307 mass shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I think the answer is in the above mentioned book. You can make people believe absolutely anything if you know how. It worked for around 2,000 years regarding religion, but I'm guessing that with the advent TV, radio & media, religion was allowed or even encouraged to die, as it had already served it's purpose. There is also the socialist/communist subversive element which included the destruction of religion as a core doctrine, but by this time the Tavistock Institute and others like Edward Bernays had already worked out how to replace it.

    Once you know the rules of the game the role of slogans, repeat messaging, news by ommision, nudge units, propaganda, misinformation/disinformation, conformation bias, bogeymen, etc, becomes very clear. We are like putty in the hand for those who have agendas and big ideas to implement
    I am sure I have watched an interview or a documentary about the Tavistock Institute
    about their methods of social engineering and brainwashing
    I understand its non profit charity too ?

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