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[Wales-Bales]

Where does it all end? Acting is an activity in which a story is told by means of its enactment by an actor or actress who adopts a character. A documentary is the medium where people can tell their own story. How about demands by mass murderers and psychopaths to play themselves? Films are fantasy adaptations by design.

[light up the darkness]

I’m waiting with interest for the remake of Elephant Man

[City123]

Where does it all end? Acting is an activity in which a story is told by means of its enactment by an actor or actress who adopts a character. A documentary is the medium where people can tell their own story. How about demands by mass murderers and psychopaths to play themselves? Films are fantasy adaptations by design.

To be fair, that's not specifically true, I know what you're getting at but a film doesn't necessarily have to be fictional, would you call Titanic a documentary?

From my understanding the film is based on a real person? I can see why trnsgender people would be p*ssed off with this, but saying that, if this is the "real issue" as one of the "activists" (Tweeting doesn't make you an activist) puts it "“THATS THE REAL ISSUE. WE CANT EVEN GET IN THE ROOM. Cast actors WHO ARE TRANS as NON TRANS CHARACTERS. I DARE YOU.”". Then I'm sorry but your community aren't facing real discrimination in my view

This quote from an article made me laugh: "“Oh word?? So you can continue to play us but we can’t play y’all?” Trace Lysette, a transgender actress best known for appearing on Amazon’s “Transparent,” wrote on Twitter after the casting announcement. “Hollywood is so f—ed… I wouldn’t be as upset if I was getting in the same rooms as Jennifer Lawrence and Scarlett for cis roles, but we know that’s not the case. A mess.”" No, the reason you aren't in the same room as Lawrence & Johansson for ating roles has nothing to do with being transgender, they're Hollywood stars, you're best known for some Amazon TV series nobody's heard of

[bobh]

To be fair, that's not specifically true, I know what you're getting at but a film doesn't necessarily have to be fictional, would you call Titanic a documentary?

From my understanding the film is based on a real person? I can see why trnsgender people would be p*ssed off with this, but saying that, if this is the "real issue" as one of the "activists" (Tweeting doesn't make you an activist) puts it "“THATS THE REAL ISSUE. WE CANT EVEN GET IN THE ROOM. Cast actors WHO ARE TRANS as NON TRANS CHARACTERS. I DARE YOU.”". Then I'm sorry but your community aren't facing real discrimination in my view

This quote from an article made me laugh: "“Oh word?? So you can continue to play us but we can’t play y’all?” Trace Lysette, a transgender actress best known for appearing on Amazon’s “Transparent,” wrote on Twitter after the casting announcement. “Hollywood is so f—ed… I wouldn’t be as upset if I was getting in the same rooms as Jennifer Lawrence and Scarlett for cis roles, but we know that’s not the case. A mess.”" No, the reason you aren't in the same room as Lawrence & Johansson for ating roles has nothing to do with being transgender, they're Hollywood stars, you're best known for some Amazon TV series nobody's heard of

Nail on head!

[surge]

Where does it all end? Acting is an activity in which a story is told by means of its enactment by an actor or actress who adopts a character. A documentary is the medium where people can tell their own story. How about demands by mass murderers and psychopaths to play themselves? Films are fantasy adaptations by design.

Sexuality and gender are both protected characteristics, being a murderer is not.

[Wales-Bales]

Sexuality and gender are both protected characteristics, being a murderer is not.

Show me where anything is a protected character in the Actors Guild Manual. The whole thing is rediculous. Actors act! Movie scripts are embellished versions of reality. Films only exist to make money for their investors.

[jon1959]

Where does it all end? Acting is an activity in which a story is told by means of its enactment by an actor or actress who adopts a character. A documentary is the medium where people can tell their own story. How about demands by mass murderers and psychopaths to play themselves? Films are fantasy adaptations by design.

Where it all ends depends on the times and the culture - it keeps on changing.

A few hundred years ago all female parts on stage were played by boys. Two generations ago major white actors were blacking up to play black roles (1965 - Laurence Olivier as Othello for instance). In most cases in recent times when films or dramas have had trans roles the actor or actress has not been trans (can think of Eddie Redmayne in the Danish Girl 2015, Chloe Sevigny in Hit & Miss 2011) and at the same time there are now many examples of 'all female' Shakespeare plays, black actors playing roles that were obviously white given the period and place, and all sorts of transpositions that challenge stereotypes or rigid gender/other roles. Bugsy Malone!

If some groups of actors (or potential actors) are excluded from the industry or roles because of who they are, they have every right to protest about that and the domination by one segment of society - male/white/straight has been the easiest way in for most of the last century or more. It's a bit like GrangetownBlue shouting about Welsh players losing the chance to play for their country because of Ash Williams - but with more justification.

But this story doesn't appear to be about that. If the argument is that you have to have the same experiences as the character to play the role, or that there has to be some kind of trans/non-trans offsetting of opportunities (without reference to ability), then that is just daft.

[Wales-Bales]

Where it all ends depends on the times and the culture - it keeps on changing.

A few hundred years ago all female parts on stage were played by boys. Two generations ago major white actors were blacking up to play black roles (1965 - Laurence Olivier as Othello for instance). In most cases in recent times when films or dramas have had trans roles the actor or actress has not been trans (can think of Eddie Redmayne in the Danish Girl 2015, Chloe Sevigny in Hit & Miss 2011) and at the same time there are now many examples of 'all female' Shakespeare plays, black actors playing roles that were obviously white given the period and place, and all sorts of transpositions that challenge stereotypes or rigid gender/other roles. Bugsy Malone!

If some groups of actors (or potential actors) are excluded from the industry or roles because of who they are, they have every right to protest about that and the domination by one segment of society - male/white/straight has been the easiest way in for most of the last century or more. It's a bit like GrangetownBlue shouting about Welsh players losing the chance to play for their country because of Ash Williams - but with more justification.

But this story doesn't appear to be about that. If the argument is that you have to have the same experiences as the character to play the role, or that there has to be some kind of trans/non-trans offsetting of opportunities (without reference to ability), then that is just daft.

Thanks for confirming that actors don't generally play themselves in works of fiction which are open to interpretation, and that they are in the business of entertaining, as opposed to being political lobbyists. I'm guessing the producers want a well-known access in the role to maximise profits, as they seek to widen the appeal of their entertainment product.

[AfricanBluebird]

Where it all ends depends on the times and the culture - it keeps on changing.

A few hundred years ago all female parts on stage were played by boys. Two generations ago major white actors were blacking up to play black roles (1965 - Laurence Olivier as Othello for instance). In most cases in recent times when films or dramas have had trans roles the actor or actress has not been trans (can think of Eddie Redmayne in the Danish Girl 2015, Chloe Sevigny in Hit & Miss 2011) and at the same time there are now many examples of 'all female' Shakespeare plays, black actors playing roles that were obviously white given the period and place, and all sorts of transpositions that challenge stereotypes or rigid gender/other roles. Bugsy Malone!

If some groups of actors (or potential actors) are excluded from the industry or roles because of who they are, they have every right to protest about that and the domination by one segment of society - male/white/straight has been the easiest way in for most of the last century or more. It's a bit like GrangetownBlue shouting about Welsh players losing the chance to play for their country because of Ash Williams - but with more justification.

But this story doesn't appear to be about that. If the argument is that you have to have the same experiences as the character to play the role, or that there has to be some kind of trans/non-trans offsetting of opportunities (without reference to ability), then that is just daft.

Agreed.

I think the outcry from the trans community is fuelled by a deep sense of dissatisfaction as being excluded from many aspects of society, not just Hollywood. But as you say,