Arm our officers

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.

[blue matt]

I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.

because is does in the US i guess ? ? ?

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

because is does in the US i guess ? ? ?

Are you kidding?

Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

No looking at the US required for that conundrum.

[Packerman]

Are you kidding?

Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

No looking at the US required for that conundrum.

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[blue matt]

Are you kidding?

Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

No looking at the US required for that conundrum.

no

because its easy to use the US and its armed officers are a example to win the " we do not want to arm our police " argument

I know a 5 armed police officers, 2 current, 2 trained and 1 just retired ( about a month ago )

I would trust the judgement of them all and while you will argue " but thats just 5 " i can honestly say that if they had to make a call i would trust them with my life

the bloke next door to me used a " tazer " in January, he has had 8 meetings about it so far, it was all caught on CCTV and on his body cam aswell, these guys are trained and trained well

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

no

because its easy to use the US and its armed officers are a example to win the " we do not want to arm our police " argument

I know a 5 armed police officers, 2 current, 2 trained and 1 just retired ( about a month ago )

I would trust the judgement of them all and while you will argue " but thats just 5 " i can honestly say that if they had to make a call i would trust them with my life

the bloke next door to me used a " tazer " in January, he has had 8 meetings about it so far, it was all caught on CCTV and on his body cam aswell, these guys are trained and trained well

I'm not sure how any of that is a response to what I posted.

[blue matt]

I'm not sure how any of that is a response to what I posted.

point 1 - Are you kidding?

i pointed out that i am not kidding, as the US argument is easy to use

point 2 - Lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority

i pointed out i know 5 armed Officers and none are meathead bobby's with superiority-complex or a Lowly paid civil servants who chose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others

fairly simple

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

point 1 - Are you kidding?

i pointed out that i am not kidding, as the US argument is easy to use

point 2 - Lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority

i pointed out i know 5 armed Officers and none are meathead bobby's with superiority-complex or a Lowly paid civil servants who chose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others

fairly simple

Well my point was "fairly simple" and you didn't address it.

There are 125,000 police officers in the UK according to my Google-fu and so far we've got Blue matt's Golden Guarantee™ that at least 5 of them won't peel your cap off in a moment of roid-induced rage, can you vouch for the rest or will we have to chance it?

[Richyrich]

point 1 - Are you kidding?

i pointed out that i am not kidding, as the US argument is easy to use

point 2 - Lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority

i pointed out i know 5 armed Officers and none are meathead bobby's with superiority-complex or a Lowly paid civil servants who chose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others

fairly simple

Your argument doesn't stand up Matt. The officers you know are the cream of the cream and specially trained, you're arguing about arming EVERY police officer, that is a massive difference. Can you see that?

[Packerman]

I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.

such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too

[itkman]

such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too

Yes, yes you are.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too

I don't know what part you think is "bollocks" but I'm not angry at all, just pointing out how bad an idea the OP suggested is.

[Packerman]

I don't know what part you think is "bollocks" but I'm not angry at all, just pointing out how bad an idea the OP suggested is.

well the fact that you think police are superiority complex meatheads strikes me as bollocks, i don't agree with routine arming but your phraseology is puerile

[SOXY BOY]

I think the Police officer who was killed was actually armed.

[Packerman]

I think the Police officer who was killed was actually armed.

i was thinking the same, if he was inside the parliamentary secure area then surely he was armed??

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

well the fact that you think police are superiority complex meatheads strikes me as bollocks, i don't agree with routine arming but your phraseology is purile

I didn't say they all were, but some definitely are.

[William Treseder]

I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.

I am in agreement with you as in I wouldn't want all our police to be armed, but your barbed comments toward them seem to be a bit ott. You've obviously had a bad/some bad experiences with plod, which is your business, but they do a thankless job.
Can you imagine what it's like to be a copper involved in social riots, or having to control hundreds of Neanderthals at football grounds up and down the country, or finding dead bodies, dead babies, smashed up teenagers in RTA's, etc.?
We all know that corruption and bullying takes place in all walks of life, but no amount of cash would persuade me to join the fuzz in this day and age. Just be thankful that there are youngsters out there who still want to join.

[blue matt]

I am in agreement with you as in I wouldn't want all our police to be armed, but your barbed comments toward them seem to be a bit ott. You've obviously had a bad/some bad experiences with plod, which is your business, but they do a thankless job.
Can you imagine what it's like to be a copper involved in social riots, or having to control hundreds of Neanderthals at football grounds up and down the country, or finding dead bodies, dead babies, smashed up teenagers in RTA's, etc.?
We all know that corruption and bullying takes place in all walks of life, but no amount of cash would persuade me to join the fuzz in this day and age. Just be thankful that there are youngsters out there who still want to join.

what state would we be in if people did not step up and do the job ? ? ??

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

I am in agreement with you as in I wouldn't want all our police to be armed, but your barbed comments toward them seem to be a bit ott. You've obviously had a bad/some bad experiences with plod, which is your business, but they do a thankless job.
Can you imagine what it's like to be a copper involved in social riots, or having to control hundreds of Neanderthals at football grounds up and down the country, or finding dead bodies, dead babies, smashed up teenagers in RTA's, etc.?
We all know that corruption and bullying takes place in all walks of life, but no amount of cash would persuade me to join the fuzz in this day and age. Just be thankful that there are youngsters out there who still want to join.

No, you're quite right. I thought about it afterwards and my comments about a certain type of police officer were a bit brash, especially in light of what happened yesterday so apologies to anyone I offended with that.

[Packerman]

No, you're quite right. I thought about it afterwards and my comments about a certain type of police officer were a bit brash, especially in light of what happened yesterday so apologies to anyone I offended with that.