America again.

[Croesy Blue]

No one can say that the attack was Trump's fault alone.

But since entering the political sphere, he has called neo-nazis "fine people", called reporters "enemies of the people", called a congressman who assaulted a reporter "my kind of guy", offered to pay legal fees for his supporters who "knocked the crap" out of protesters, shared cgi videos of himself punching and hitting his opponents with golf balls, threatened that "second amendment people" would take matters into their own hands if he lost the election, legitimised hate publications like infowars, retweeted far right anti-muslim videos, said the previous president had founded the world's most famous terror group and seen a good deal of the people he has concentrated his attacks on receive bombs in the mail.

So I think when we see supporters from his side engaging in violent acts, we can hold him a little bit responsible.

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s Trump’s fault alone but he is a great mouthpiece for tipping lunatics like this over the edge. He is radicalising people and that guys van gave an insight into it.

Trump and his rhetoric are very dangerous and I can’t see how anyone can ignore that.

People wonder how Germany “fell“ to the nazis but the colleagues saying «*he’s no diplomat but he’s making us richer » is pretty scary imo. Obviously there’s a big jump between the 2 and I’m not comparing trump to Hitler but the whole I’m all right jack and indifference to it is how stuff like this escalates.

[lardy]

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s Trump’s fault alone but he is a great mouthpiece for tipping lunatics like this over the edge. He is radicalising people and that guys van gave an insight into it.

Trump and his rhetoric are very dangerous and I can’t see how anyone can ignore that.

People wonder how Germany “fell“ to the nazis but the colleagues saying «*he’s no diplomat but he’s making us richer » is pretty scary imo. Obviously there’s a big jump between the 2 and I’m not comparing trump to Hitler but the whole I’m all right jack and indifference to it is how stuff like this escalates.

And again today, Trump is tweeting that the Fake News Media are the true Enemy of the People. Continuing to fan the flames as best he can because it suits him.

[Wales-Bales]

And again today, Trump is tweeting that the Fake News Media are the true Enemy of the People. Continuing to fan the flames as best he can because it suits him.

I'm not defending Trump, but the news media are a disgrace. They don't report on politics, they are in the business of politics, pushing agengas, shaping narratives, etc.. And it's not only happening in America, it's everywhere.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

I'm not defending Trump, but the news media are a disgrace. They don't report on politics, they are in the business of politics, pushing agengas, shaping narratives, etc.. And it's not only happening in America, it's everywhere.

There's no doubt elements of the media push a narrative that will help them (more often that not it's the right that does this) but to suggest they're all a disgrace is disingenuous and misleading, and recently has become dangerous. If we were to have a purely fact based narrative a calmer voice is necessary.

[Wales-Bales]

There's no doubt elements of the media push a narrative that will help them (more often that not it's the right that does this) but to suggest they're all a disgrace is disingenuous and misleading, and recently has become dangerous. If we were to have a purely fact based narrative a calmer voice is necessary.

Both sides are at it, and it's not just in America, you only need to look at Brexit, and around Europe to see parallels. I believe we have reached a crossroads, and what we are now witnessing is an ideological war being played out amongst opposing factions of elites from around the world.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Both sides are at it, and it's not just in America, you only need to look at Brexit, and around Europe to see parallels. I believe we have reached a crossroads, and what we are now witnessing is an ideological war being played out amongst opposing factions of elites from around the world.

One of the things that fuels the media narrative, of course, is sensationalism. With the rise of social media we got the democratisation of sensationalism - for instance, people on a football forum suggesting the news media are a disgrace and believing we are in an ideological war. What happened to the fact based narrative? Seems like we all like a dramatic story.

[Wales-Bales]

One of the things that fuels the media narrative, of course, is sensationalism. With the rise of social media we got the democratisation of sensationalism - for instance, people on a football forum suggesting the news media are a disgrace and believing we are in an ideological war. What happened to the fact based narrative? Seems like we all like a dramatic story.

We are living in interesting times, when last was there such political turmoil everywhere you look? Even Merkel is standing down from her party role. Regarding the media, I'm going to double down, they are players in everything that is going on right now.

[Wales-Bales]

And again today, Trump is tweeting that the Fake News Media are the true Enemy of the People. Continuing to fan the flames as best he can because it suits him.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The Fake News is doing everything in their power to blame Republicans, Conservatives and me for the division and hatred that has been going on for so long in our Country. Actually, it is their Fake & Dishonest reporting which is causing problems far greater than they understand! There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame of Anger and Outrage and we will then be able to bring all sides together in Peace and Harmony. Fake News Must End!

5:12 pm - 28 Oct 2018

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The Fake News is doing everything in their power to blame Republicans, Conservatives and me for the division and hatred that has been going on for so long in our Country. Actually, it is their Fake & Dishonest reporting which is causing problems far greater than they understand! There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame of Anger and Outrage and we will then be able to bring all sides together in Peace and Harmony. Fake News Must End!

5:12 pm - 28 Oct 2018

Blame blame blame. Why doesn't he give examples? I've said the media aren't perfect but this just tars everyone with the same brush. Surely, if you're addressing divides you have to be more diplomatic? But no: "fake news", "enemy of the people." And no 'leftist filter' either, just straight from the horse's mouth.

[Wales-Bales]

Blame blame blame. Why doesn't he give examples? I've said the media aren't perfect but this just tars everyone with the same brush. Surely, if you're addressing divides you have to be more diplomatic? But no: "fake news", "enemy of the people." And no 'leftist filter' either, just straight from the horse's mouth.

The way I read it, he is saying you have some news organisations who partake in fake news, and some who don't. So he is saying those who do should cut it out. He is not blaming all news outlets, only those who play fast and loose with the truth, or something like that.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

The way I read it, he is saying you have some news organisations who partake in fake news, and some who don't. So he is saying those who do should cut it out. He is not blaming all news outlets, only those who play fast and loose with the truth, or something like that.

Even if that's true, it's not clear. Which news outlets? Fox News? Perhaps people are angry at the cheerleading of any Republican politician?

[lardy]

Even if that's true, it's not clear. Which news outlets? Fox News? Perhaps people are angry at the cheerleading of any Republican politician?

The US media is currently running the story about trump saying he can change the Constitution to end birthright. He can't but the media aren't running the story as "Trump lies to stoke up immigration fear before the election" so I guess you can argue that they are fake news.

If they were more honest, they would be reporting him as lying rather than using phrases like "didn't provide evidence to support his claim". He should be thanking them.