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  1. #1

    Re: Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    If those were her beliefs then, would that make her an anti establishment figure. Yes or no?

    Yes, in this sense it would. As a matter of fact she might well think that.
    The trouble is , as I said earlier to another person, that you're operating on some extinct socialist concept of " the elite" and not that which people are objecting to in this day and age.

  2. #2

    Re: Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Yes, in this sense it would. As a matter of fact she might well think that.
    The trouble is , as I said earlier to another person, that you're operating on some extinct socialist concept of " the elite" and not that which people are objecting to in this day and age.
    So the Queen, the head of state, would be anti-establishment figure who isn't part of the elite? Come on mate

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    Re: Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    So the Queen, the head of state, would be anti-establishment figure who isn't part of the elite? Come on mate


    As I said IN THIS SENSE she would.
    We did discuss what we mean by the elite in terms of this conversation , but you seem unwilling or unable to accept that it's not just
    " posh people".
    Since the actual elite we're talking about wants to abolish the state, it's not incredibly surprising that the head of state might oppose it.

  4. #4

    Re: Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    As I said IN THIS SENSE she would.
    We did discuss what we mean by the elite in terms of this conversation , but you seem unwilling or unable to accept that it's not just
    " posh people".
    Since the actual elite we're talking about wants to abolish the state, it's not incredibly surprising that the head of state might oppose it.
    Who are this elite who want to abolish the state? Are they part of this vague globalist conspiracy? I thought the elite were an extinct Socialist concept anyway?

  5. #5

    Re: Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Who are this elite who want to abolish the state? Are they part of this vague globalist conspiracy? I thought the elite were an extinct Socialist concept anyway?

    It's by no means a vague globalist conspiracy, and as I've said numerous times before, it's a different use of the word elite to how it's used in socialist theories.
    It's the constant ebb and flow of real politics which has been going on since the time of the Ancient Greeks , which ,like an iceberg , is 90% not visible on the face of it. Maybe I'll start a whole thread on it but I'm reluctant to do that if people are just going to dismiss it without looking at the source material - complicated business you see, and there's no point taking the time to précis it if people aren't interested.

  6. #6

    Re: Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    It's by no means a vague globalist conspiracy, and as I've said numerous times before, it's a different use of the word elite to how it's used in socialist theories.
    It's the constant ebb and flow of real politics which has been going on since the time of the Ancient Greeks , which ,like an iceberg , is 90% not visible on the face of it. Maybe I'll start a whole thread on it but I'm reluctant to do that if people are just going to dismiss it without looking at the source material - complicated business you see, and there's no point taking the time to précis it if people aren't interested.
    Nobody's dismissing anything, I just want to know where we stand when you talk about an elite

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