This is a damn good question!!.
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Yes, well spotted Sir Jim, Jackie here. History is never neutral: chronology is. You may be wrong about Fred in 50 years; many people will recall the exploits of Jack the Ripper without being contemporaries. I would argue that Fred West certainly affected the personal history of some unfortunate families in the Gloucester area.
This is a damn good question!!.
I was right in my first ever response to you. I have been wasting my time.
You are clearly a WUM with crumble for brains. It's idiots like you that propagate BS without even having the mental acuity to realize you're doing it. Hitler was, is and always will be reviled by any sane human. End of.
BTW I'm blocking you. You're a twerp.
Jack the Ripper is a bit unusual , probably because it was never solved and because it's been fictionalised so many times. As a matter of fact I've got my own theories on it, but it's certainly not history, and I'm sure there were plenty of Fred West equivalents we've never heard of.
Similarly , the effect upon someone's personal or family history isn't really history in the wider sense.
I don't mean you, but I don't think some people here actually understand what History is. They don't seem to be able to separate it from morality or opinion.
None of it matters , of course, but I'm keeping the discussion going because it's interesting and it's drawing one or two people into a nice rational dialogue .
When was what - the civil war ?
What are you going to do, start pointing out various causes of the Civil War which weren't about Cromwell or trotting out your understanding of the conflict . I wouldn't bother because I didn't say that the war was caused by people disliking Cromwell .
I mean , I'll discuss history with you if you like but you shouldn't try and go there.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding - are you going to say that you think Oliver Cromwell and Edward Longshanks were the same person or something ?
RonnieBird:
I feel the need to explain why I think you have crumble for brains. Follow closely, it's logical.
1. The OP asked who was the "greatest Briton alive"?
2. Let's define "great". I think even you know what "Briton" and "alive" mean.
From no particular online dictionary: "of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average" or "of ability, quality, or eminence considerably above the normal or average" or "used to indicate that someone or something particularly deserves a specified description".
I think the middle one is most relevant. The synonyms for it are "...prominent, eminent, preeminent, important, distinguished, august, illustrious, noble etc".
3. What the question was about is identifying individuals who fit those characteristics.
4. Farage, Hitler, Jack the Ripper do not possess any of the desired characteristics ergo they are not great and so cannot be "the greatest".
5. QED
If I might help you in your study of history: you have confused the original question with the so-called "great man theory of history". Thomas Carlyle proffered this in the early C19th but (I'm afraid for you) it fell out of favour in the mid-C20th and is now only trotted out by the lunatic fringe (like attempts to explain Nazi ideology). Reading for you: "Hitler" by Ian Kershaw.
Let us know what GCSE grade you get.
Lol @ the farage suggestion.
Has anyone tried and failed to get elected to the house of commons as many times as him?
Lord Such possibly.
Well, GCSE's hadn't been invented when I was at that age, but I did quite well in my matriculation thank you . In fact I progressed a bit from there ,but thank you for your advice.
I'm not going to get involved in your half arsed name calling, but I will say that it's both pathetic and uncalled for.
I nominated a name on what's supposed to be a general discussion board, that's all. We don't get to choose here who will be remembered by history or which definition of "Great" must apply to the question really.
Okay, you disagree with my suggestion. That's okay, but you go on to launch some big personal attack on the writer and chuck in a few things you've googled to try and seem like a great authority on history. Don't bother, please, because I'm neither impressed nor particularly concerned about your opinion of me, and I hope that your opinion of yourself is very high, which it clearly is.
Let's just accept that you don't like Nigel Farage and move on.
No I was going to say that you are talking bollocks again.
I highlghted exactly what you said - and then you brazenly deny it. You are not doing very well with history, use of English (admiration for Rees-Mogg not helping?) or philosophy. Maybe time to give up gracefully?
And what has Edward I got to do with anything?
As I said to the other chap, fortunately I did the education stuff a long long time ago, and so I don't need any tips at this stage. I doubt that Jacob Rees Mogg has got much to learn from you either actually.
If you think I'm talking bollocks that's okay - we all have our opinions and you're welcome to yours. It gets very tiresome when you and your little mates try to tag team anyone who's not in your gang of dunces though, and it's not achieving anything.