The Donald Trump thread

[cyril evans awaydays]

I don't know where you get hero and role model from, I would be more drawn to a Corbyn type of character, but Trump is a candidate of change and he has an important job to do, somebody has to expose the dirty political system so that it can be cleaned up somewhat and we can start over again. Regarding the abuse accusations, if Trump is guilty he should certainly face the consequences. However, it doesn't help that all the accusations all came up during an election campaign, were organised by ambulance chasing attorneys, and were paid for by the Clinton campaign, who were also spying on Trump in order to prevent him from being elected/remove him from office.

I thought Veg1960 was referencing Trump's own words? There is no accusation just the words of either a sexual predator using his power in an ugly way or of course he course he could have been lying and making it all up.

[Wales-Bales]

I thought Veg1960 was referencing Trump's own words? There is no accusation just the words of either a sexual predator using his power in an ugly way or of course he course he could have been lying and making it all up.

I thought he said it was locker room talk?

[cyril evans awaydays]

I thought he said it was locker room talk?

Ah so you think the liar option?

[Veg1960]

I thought Veg1960 was referencing Trump's own words? There is no accusation just the words of either a sexual predator using his power in an ugly way or of course he course he could have been lying and making it all up.

Beat me to it Cyril

Direct quote from Trump, no mention of attorneys, spies, campaigns. Just Trump's own words

"when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything"

You felt able (quite correctly IMO) to criticise Morgan Freeman for abusing his position, yet can't bring yourself to admit what a slimeball Trump is.

You accuse me of being simplistic and not grasping the complexities - perhaps you could point them out for me. Just to be clear I'm not asking about election campaigns, the Clintons, lawyers etc. Just Trump's words in relation to your stated feelings about Morgan Freeman. What exactly am I missing?

[Wales-Bales]

Beat me to it Cyril

Direct quote from Trump, no mention of attorneys, spies, campaigns. Just Trump's own words

"when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything"

You felt able (quite correctly IMO) to criticise Morgan Freeman for abusing his position, yet can't bring yourself to admit what a slimeball Trump is.

You accuse me of being simplistic and not grasping the complexities - perhaps you could point them out for me. Just to be clear I'm not asking about election campaigns, the Clintons, lawyers etc. Just Trump's words in relation to your stated feelings about Morgan Freeman. What exactly am I missing?

Trump is disposable, he is not here to win any popularity contests. If he is guilty of anything then charge him, but it's pointless going on about him just because you don't like him .. nobody does! Trump has been selected to face down the socialist/communist/globalists and kick them out of Dodge. After the job is complete he will disappear into the sunset.

[the other bob wilson]

Trump is disposable, he is not here to win any popularity contests. If he is guilty of anything then charge him, but it's pointless going on about him just because you don't like him .. nobody does! Trump has been selected to face down the socialist/communist/globalists and kick them out of Dodge. After the job is complete he will disappear into the sunset.

So you're admitting that, by getting considerably less votes than his opponent, Trump didn't really win the popularity contest that is the American Presidential election?

[Wales-Bales]

So you're admitting that, by getting considerably less votes than his opponent, he didn't really win the popularity contest that is the American Presidential election?

Corbyn and Trump face the same problem, a biased media determined to destroy their character, and the public are oblivious to it. That's the fascinating part for me, that they still exist and sometimes even thrive under these conditions.

[Veg1960]

Do you ever answer the questions posed to you?

You deliberately missed the point Bob was trying to make and have avoided answering mine twice.

I know it's absolutely pointless, but one more go.

How do you view Trump's comments, considering you condemnation of Morgan Freeman. Do they describe someone "using power in a very ugly way"

[Wales-Bales]

Do you ever answer the questions posed to you?

You deliberately missed the point Bob was trying to make and have avoided answering mine twice.

I know it's absolutely pointless, but one more go.

How do you view Trump's comments, considering you condemnation of Morgan Freeman. Do they describe someone "using power in a very ugly way"

He himself said it was locker room talk. If there is a case to answer put it before a jury, not the court of public opinion that is influenced by a corrupt politicised media.

[Veg1960]

He himself said it was locker room talk. If there is a case to answer put it before a jury, not the court of public opinion that is influenced by a corrupt politicised media.

Oh okay.

So he was trying to ingratiate himself by pretending to be a sexual predator

That's cleared that up

[Wales-Bales]

Oh okay.

So he was trying to ingratiate himself by pretending to be a sexual predator

That's cleared that up

You're the one trying to convince yourself that a link exists.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Oh okay.

So he was trying to ingratiate himself by pretending to be a sexual predator

That's cleared that up

I think you are being unfair to WB.

The expectation to get a straight reply to a straight question without bringing in several extraneous elements is a bit naughty for starters.

He has clearly said that those that have issue with Trump's talk and actions should take it to court. Perfectly reasonable! Just as reasonable is the suggestion that those that have chosen that path should not have picked ambulance chasing attorneys as this would not be in their best interests when in litigation against Trump's squeaky clean lawyer.

I would suggest that if you debate with him on specific points in the future that you really need to look at the bigger picture because what you are focusing upon is all noise when set against the deep anti-state clean up of which Trump is a temporary figurehead.

Conversely if you have a big picture conversation you should really understand that that is not the problem. Rather the fact that WB and a small number of well trained art experts have noticed a few brush strokes in the far bottom corner of the canvas that look like they were added by someone else. As a result you have to conclude the rest of the painting is obviously fake!

Hope this helps and good luck in any future dialogue!