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    Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Coconut is definitely a slur. I’m remember Ferdinand getting in loads of trouble for saying similar.
    He called Ashley Cole a choc ice for defending Terry in the racism court case against his brother.

    Different term but same meaning

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    Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    He called Ashley Cole a choc ice for defending Terry in the racism court case against his brother.

    Different term but same meaning
    I have seen racism first hand - it is not nice. However, there is an undercurrent of people playing the race card. That those people then use racist terms is completely hypocritical and, worse, counter productive. This undercurrent of people definitely see white people as evil racists as soon as they do so much as disagree with a person of colour. The implication that any such disagreement is racially motivated is insulting to the people being accused, and almost negates any argument they have. In this case, the implication from the tweet that Adz linked was that Abbott was getting this treatment purely because of her skin colour. Abbott is getting this treatment because she is one of the most left wing politicians around. It has sod all to do with skin colour.

    But, the very idea that people in the BAME community can call people coconuts or choc ices just because they have spoken out against the community suggests that this undercurrent of race card playing people also possess a bullying streak.

    How any of this behaviour helps in the fight against racism, I have no idea, but it does seem like there is an element of extremism here. I fail to see how such people can be both upset at people for being racist AND carry out racist attacks themselves.

    The ease with which Adz came out with the term coconut suggests to me that this is a word in widespread usage amongst his peers. That they can't see it's offensive nature is a tad concerning.

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    Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    I have seen racism first hand - it is not nice. However, there is an undercurrent of people playing the race card. That those people then use racist terms is completely hypocritical and, worse, counter productive. This undercurrent of people definitely see white people as evil racists as soon as they do so much as disagree with a person of colour. The implication that any such disagreement is racially motivated is insulting to the people being accused, and almost negates any argument they have. In this case, the implication from the tweet that Adz linked was that Abbott was getting this treatment purely because of her skin colour. Abbott is getting this treatment because she is one of the most left wing politicians around. It has sod all to do with skin colour.
    That is just not true.

    There are many reasons (and few excuses) for the abuse Diane Abbott has received especially in recent years and especially on social media - dislike of her politics, her gender, attacks on her competence, the 'soft touch' of her medical condition, her former personal relationship with Corbyn, allegations of hypocrisy around her son's education, and her comments on societal racism - but one clear reason is racism against her because of her skin colour.

    Just look at any string of tweets about her, or any comment thread under an online media story, and the insidious racism that feeds much of the hatred is clear.

    She may not help herself at times, and she may have been elevated into the firing line for keyboard cowards because of her political association with Corbyn, but the racism is there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    That is just not true.

    There are many reasons (and few excuses) for the abuse Diane Abbott has received especially in recent years and especially on social media - dislike of her politics, her gender, attacks on her competence, the 'soft touch' of her medical condition, her former relationship with Corbyn, allegations of hypocrisy around her son's education, and comments on societal racism - but one clear reason is racism against her because of her skin colour.

    Just look at any string of tweets about her, or any comment thread under an online media story, and the insidious racism that feeds much of the hatred is clear.

    She may not help herself at times, and she may have been elevated into the firing line for keyboard cowards because of her association with Corbyn, but the racism is there!
    I don't agree with that - not at the journalistic levels that we are talking about anyway. Of course, there are dickheads on Twitter who are attacking Abbott and others purely on skin colour. But, that isn't who we are talking about here - going back to the Tweet that Adz linked to which pointed the finger at a media who harrassed Abbott for drinking on a train, but who have kept Cummings off the front page the last two days. If the tweet was pointing the finger at the Facebook Fogies then I would have agreed. But, it seemed that the tweet was directed at the media, not the keyboard cowards.

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