Pilot's status as a private licence-holder only, now the focus...

[Wales-Bales]

No I'm suggesting that you claim to be well versed in this tragedy by reading tweets and message board posts.

It does not make you an expert witness.

We are all speculating. The only people that will be fully holding the facts will be the investigation team when they have completed their work.

You don't have to be an expert witness to read statements from the local air traffic control, it was established very early on that there was no mayday call from the pilot when the plane disappeared from the radar at 2300ft. This is 100% fact.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

You don't have to be an expert witness to read statements from the local air traffic control, it was established very early on that there was no mayday call from the pilot when the plane disappeared from the radar at 2300ft. This is 100% fact.

But you said you have a good knowledge of the conditions and the events that have occurred and their wider implications.

You weren't there, you have no first hand knowledge and are not even working off hearsay. It appears that your assumptions are based off message board speculation.

[Wales-Bales]

But you said you have a good knowledge of the conditions and the events that have occurred and their wider implications.

You weren't there, you have no first hand knowledge and are not even working off hearsay. It appears that your assumptions are based off message board speculation.

If icing wasn't the reason for the pilot requesting a descent from 5,000ft to 2,300ft, what else could it have been?

[ken smith]

If icing wasn't the reason for the pilot requesting a descent from 5,000ft to 2,300ft, what else could it have been?

He was scared of heights?

[xsnaggle]

If icing wasn't the reason for the pilot requesting a descent from 5,000ft to 2,300ft, what else could it have been?

Perhaps he thought he was too high, he had already told a friend that he had a tendency to do that.

Or maybe he wanted to to a pretty girl he'd seen in a boat?? How the feck can you state (seemingly unequivocally) that it must have been icing or what else could it have been? It could have been anything.

[Wales-Bales]

Perhaps he thought he was too high, he had already told a friend that he had a tendency to do that.

5,000ft is a standard VFR flight plan and it's the one that the pilot filed. If icing occurs you either have to descend into warmer air, or you can climb higher above the clouds, but you would need an instrument rating to fly IFR. The advantage of flying higher is longer gliding distances in the event of an emergency, which is good for single-engine planes.

BTW he was too high when landing.

[Wales-Bales]

How the feck can you state (seemingly unequivocally) that it must have been icing or what else could it have been? It could have been anything.

Requesting a descent (or ascent) is standard practice for cases of icing. If it was anything else, they would have been requesting an emergency landing at the nearest airport, not continuing the flight at 2,300ft.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

If icing wasn't the reason for the pilot requesting a descent from 5,000ft to 2,300ft, what else could it have been?

Dunno. I've only read messageboard speculation. You are possibly correct but its not because of your good knowledge of the conditions and wider implications.

[Wales-Bales]

Dunno. I've only read messageboard speculation. You are possibly correct but its not because of your good knowledge of the conditions and wider implications.

You can read the same aviation forcast charts as the pilots do, plus there was an eyewitness account of the conditions from a pilot who flew in the area one hour prior to the disappearance. The wider implications are playing out right now, the pilots experience and his licence status, the legality of the flight, did he have Ian instrument rating, who owned the aircraft, who paid for his flight, insurance implications, etc, etc,.